wingerdinger
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can people tell me why they have pickering this high. he's never been on my radar i know nothing about him.
can people tell me why they have pickering this high. he's never been on my radar i know nothing about him.
Pavel, I'm curious as to how the last ~6 months have impacted your rankings of these 3?
I feel like Wright shouldn't even be in the conversation.
Hard to say. He could still go #1, but I wouldn't take him over Savoie, Cooley, or Lambert.I'm curious exactly how far do you think he has dropped and why do all of the major scouting services see it differently?
Kvochko is a smallish center. His attribute is skilled playmaking. Nearly everything will depend on whether he can translate his skilled game to next levels due to size. His numbers aren't impressive even in the MHL. If anything there is an outside chance he would ever make the NHL. I would not be surprised if he goes undrafted. Late round pick os okay for him.Maybe help us with our lists then. Where would you put these three Russian juniors: Ilya Kvochko, Viktor Neuchev, Raul Yakupov. I am guessing each is likely later-rounder, but I know zilch about them. Anything you like?
Kvochko is a smallish center. His attribute is skilled playmaking. Nearly everything will depend on whether he can translate his skilled game to next levels due to size. His numbers aren't impressive even in the MHL. If anything there is an outside chance he would ever make the NHL. I would not be surprised if he goes undrafted. Late round pick os okay for him.
Neuchev on the other hand is a bigger(tall, not much muscle so far) guy who is a goal scorer. He wasn't able to put a foot in the door in the VHL though. He looks really good in juniors, but still way behind the obvious guys for the 2022 draft. Probably worth a late round hit or miss pick.
Yakupov is a polarizing prospect. Close to cutoff date. So he will be among the youngest in the draft class. He only seems to score goals(4 assists all season is strange), he might improve mightily until draft day... or not(also due to his age). It is kinda too early to tell with him if he is for real. Just like Neuchev though he is behind the real russian assets for 2022. If he continues being among top MHL goal scorers he might be worth a late round pick.
The really interesting guys are Buchelnikov and Kantserov, but Kantserov is just 5 days beyond the cut off date, so he will be in the 2023 draft class. Both are right here right now better than all three players you named. Also Kantserov plays with Grebyonkin who is an another interesting dark horse candidate.
All three players you named I would not be surprised if a NHL team would not take them over some prospects they just know better and have a better idea what to expect.
If COVID does not strike again you'll know more about some of theose players after the U18 tournaments before the draft.
Just as I wrote, his size probably convinces some people to put him there. I personally think 2nd round is at this point too high. That's where I see guys like Perevalov(maybe a late 1st, early 2nd round pick) and Buchelnikov.I could be wrong but I think I've seen Viktor Neuchev pop up in the second round on some draft rankings.
Luneau is ranked 37th and 41?
- Wright
- Kemell
- Savoie
- Cooley
- Yurov
- Geekie
- Jiricek
- Lambert
- Nemec
- Nazar
- Miroshnichenko
- Slafkovsky
- Lekkermaki
- Kasper
- Casey
- Duda
- Mesar
- Kulich
- Mateychuk
- Ohgren
- Salomonsson
- Mintyukov
- Bystedt
- Korchinski
- Ostlund
- Howard
- McGroarty
- Lindgren
- Hughes
- Chesley
- Gauthier
- Ronni
- Sapovaliv
- Hamara
- Odelius
- Kulonummi
- Luneau
- Nelson
- Perevalov
- Lasilla
- Luneau
- Gaucher
- Pickering
- Forsmak
- Persson
- Poitras
- Fenenko
- Lorenz
- Kaskimaki
- Bel Belluz
- Jansson
- Snuggerud
- Bichsel
- Nyman
- Havelid
- Zhilkin
- Salin
- Ludwinski
- Furlong
- Buchinger
- Donovan
- Asplund
- Petrovsky
- Thornton
- Trikovov
- Haight
- McConnell-Barker
- Lutz
- Robertsoon
- Sulku
- Gazizov
- Kudryavtsev
- Beck
- Rohrer
- Gustafson
- Ingram
- Dumais
- Vidicek
- Engstrom
- Goyette
- Ward
- Verreault
- Finis
- Booth
- Kjellberg
- Firkus
- Almgren
- Sward
- Knuble
- Filmon
- Matthiasson
- Seminoff
- Vilmanis
- Hutson
- Lucius
- Suzdalev
- Minten
- Kyrou
- Hayes
- Morden
Good catch--I reread it three times and still missed it. Everyone will move up one and I can add. Thanks!Luneau is ranked 37th and 41?
Pick | Range | Pos | 2022 draft | Size/Hand | |
1 | 1-2 | C | Shane Wright | 6'0½ - R | CAN |
2 | 2-8 | C | Matthew Savoie | 5'10 - R | CAN |
3 | 2-6 | C | Logan Cooley | 5'10 - L | USA |
4 | 5-9 | W | Juraj Slafkovsky | 6'4 - L | SVK |
5 | 3-11 | RW | Joakim Kemell | 5'11 - R | FIN |
6 | 4-9 | W | Danila Yurov | 6'1 - L | RUS |
7 | 2-12 | C | Brad Lambert | 6'0½ - R | FIN |
8 | 3-14 | RD | Simon Nemec | 6'1 - R | SVK |
9 | 2-16 | LW | Ivan Miroshnichenko | 6'1 - R | RUS |
10 | 4-15 | RD | David Jiricek | 6'3 - R | CZE |
11 | 7-19 | C | Conor Geekie | 6'3 - L | CAN |
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12 | 12-33 | RW | Frank Nazar | 5'10 - R | USA |
13 | 13-26 | LW | Isaac Howard | 5'10 - L | USA |
14 | 10-35 | C/LW | Rutger McGroarty | 6'1 - L | USA |
15 | 10-23 | RD | Tristan Luneau | 6'1 - R | CAN |
16 | 13-24 | C/RW | Jonathan Lekkerimäki | 5'11 - R | SWE |
17 | 15-24 | C | Marco Kasper | 6'1 - L | AUT |
18 | 11-28 | LW | Cutter Gauthier | 6'2 - L | USA |
19 | 11-31 | C | Nathan Gaucher | 6'3 - R | CAN |
20 | 9-45 | LD | Pavel Mintyukov | 6'1½ - L | RUS |
21 | 13-29 | LD | Denton Mateychuk | 5'11 - L | CAN |
22 | 13-37 | C | Jack D. Hughes | 5'11 - L | USA |
23 | 13-42 | RD | Elias Salomonsson | 6'1½ - R | SWE |
24 | 16-43 | RD | Ryan Chesley | 6'0 - R | USA |
25 | 18-29 | F | Filip Mesar | 5'10 - R | SVK |
26 | 21-43 | LW | Liam Öhgren | 6'0 - L | SWE |
27 | 16-48 | F | Jimmy Snuggerud | 6'1 - R | USA |
28 | 22-46 | RD | Ty Nelson | 5'10 - R | CAN |
29 | 14-50 | RD | Seamus Casey | 5'10 - R | USA |
30 | 20-43 | LW | Alexander Perevalov | 6'0 - R | RUS |
31 | 15-64 | C/RW | Gleb Trikozov | 6'1 - R | RUS |
32 | 20-51 | C | Noah Östlund | 5'11 - L | SWE |
33 | 22-47 | C | Luca Del Bel Belluz | 6'0½ - L | CAN |
34 | 28-37 | LD | Lian Bichsel | 6'5 - L | SUI |
35 | 24-41 | C | Matthew Poitras | 5'11 - R | CAN |
36 | 15-51 | LD | Owen Pickering | 6'3½ - L | CAN |
37 | 27-45 | C | Filip Bystedt | 6'4 - L | SWE |
38 | 25-39 | LD | Kevin Korchinski | 6'2 - L | CAN |
39 | 22-66 | C | Danny Zhilkin | 6'1 - L | CAN/RUS |
40 | 19-87 | C | Adam Ingram | 6'2½ - L | CAN |
41 | 17-56 | C | Bryce McConnel-Barker | 6'1 - L | CAN |
42 | 26-44 | LD | Calle Odelius | 6'0 - L | SWE |
43 | 25-77 | LD | Simon Forsmark | 6'2 - L | SWE |
44 | 29-59 | LD | Mats Lindgren | 6'0 - L | CAN |
45 | 20-74 | C | Pano Fimis | 5'11 - R | CAN |
46 | 27-48 | C | Paul Ludwinski | 5'11 - L | CAN |
47 | 28-65 | RD | Maveric Lamoureux | 6'7 - R | CAN |
48 | 20-84 | C | Owen Beck | 6'0 - R | CAN |
49 | 38-52 | C | Rieger Lorenz | 6'2 - L | CAN |
50 | 25-100 | LW | Matyas Sapovaliv | 6'4 - L | CZE |
51 | 30-88 | F | Julian Lutz | 6'2 - L | GER |
52 | 33-64 | LD | Tomas Hamara | 6'0 - L | CZE |
53 | 23-96 | C/LW | Ludwig Persson | 5'11½ - L | SWE |
54 | 31-60 | C | Jiri Kulich | 6'0 - L | CZE |
55 | 27-68 | RW | Devin Kaplan | 6'3 - R | USA |
56 | 40-72 | LD | Lane Hutson | 5'8 - L | USA |
57 | 37-73 | RW | Cruz Lucius | 6'0 - R | USA |
58 | 27-88 | LD | Arseni Koromyslov | 6'3 - L | RUS |
59 | 28-86 | RD | Mattias Hävelid | 5'10 - R | SWE |
60 | 30-65 | LW | Jani Nyman | 6'3 - L | FIN |
61 | 40-70 | LD | Artyom Duda | 6'1 - L | RUS |
62 | 38-73 | G | Tyler Brennan | 6'4 | CAN |
63 | 31-88 | C | David Goyette | 5'11 - L | CAN |
64 | 44-65 | W | Alexander Suzdalev | 6'2 - L | SWE/RUS |
65 | 34-84 | C/RW | Jagger Firkus | 5'10 - R | CAN |
66 | 26-83 | RW | Matt Seminoff | 5'11 - R | CAN |
67 | 25-96 | RW | Maddox Fleming | 5'11½ - R | USA |
68 | 36-82 | C/RW | Hunter Haight | 5'11 - R | CAN |
69 | 46-101 | RD | Sam Rinzel | 6'4 - R | CAN |
70 | 28-77 | LD | Jorian Donovan | 6'2 - L | CAN |
71 | 37-61 | RD | Otto Salin | 5'11 - R | FIN |
72 | 25-88 | LD | Vladimir Grudinin | 5'10 - L | RUS |
73 | 40-80 | C | Aleksanteri Kaskimäki | 6'0 - L | FIN |
74 | 40-88 | RW | Jack Devine | 5'11 - R | USA |
75 | 24-102 | C | Ryan Greene | 6'2 - R | CAN |
76 | 38-103 | C | Topi Rönni | 6'1 - L | FIN |
77 | 46-106 | LW | Antonin Verreault | 5'7 - L | CAN |
78 | 43-107 | G | Topias Leinonen | 6'5 | FIN |
79 | 46-84 | D | Kasper Kulonummi | 6'0 - R | FIN |
80 | 26-111 | LD | Michael Buchinger | 6'0 - L | CAL |
81 | 52-108 | C | Liam Arnsby | 5'11 - R | CAN |
82 | 40-105 | LW | Kirill Dolzhenkov | 6'6 - L | RUS |
83 | 50-124 | RW | Ruslan Gazizov | 5'11 - L | RUS |
84 | 47-85 | C/LW | Jordan Gustafson | 5'11 - L | CAN |
85 | 55-110 | LD | Isiah George | 6'1 - L | CAN |
86 | 45-104 | RD | Noah Warren | 6'5 - R | CAN |
87 | 67-90 | LD | Spencer Sova | 6'1 - L | CAN/USA |
88 | 66-106 | C | Fraser Minten | 6'1 - L | CAN |
89 | 63-135 | RW | Gavin Hayes | 6'1 - R | USA |