Post-Game Talk: Post Game Thread

[effen]

McKenna is a surefire #1. You can't bank on getting that. He's also not a center!

We have no idea what Hagens or anybody else is. I agree that Hagens isn't some McDavid-level guarantee but 6th and 7th rounders have become Hall of Famers.

I'd be fine with any of Hagens, Schaefer, or Martone, but I'm leaning towards not the wing, because it isn't a need and nobody in this draft is a guarantee.

The bigger point is this isn't a quick retool. Mika died, Kreider quit/died, Fox lost a step he couldn't lose, and Igor is goalie-ing. Those are the 4 guys along with Panarin who basically made last year happen game to game.

Fox should rebound at some point, Igor will fluctuate, but the first two are gone and not coming back. That's your all situations 1C and 1LW. Those are not getting replaced quickly no matter what you do. This is a 3-5 year project, and the 3 year version requires a kid or two to *really* break out, not Lafrenieres "I've not hit 60 points in year 5 of my career yet but we will call it a breakout."

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

This is way too far out to even discuss is any legitimate way but if the team walks out of the draft with one of Hagens, Schaefer or Misa I’d feel better

 

[I Eat Crow]

Keep Laviolette imo.

I love the way it's going.

I'd love another flier on a high pick being the team's Messiah.

I know we've been down that road, but it's a roll of the dice.

Look at the Devils draft picks since 2011. I don't think a team in the world has wasted more top 10 picks but one of them was finally Jack Hughes.

He earned a stay of execution from me by benching Zibanejad from the 1st power play unit.

 

[Machinehead]

Debatable because Hischier is really coming into his own.

And I checked the Devils draft lottery history: I'm only seeing 2 1st overalls in their history (Hischier and Hughes).

Winning the lottery =/= first overall.

The Devils have won the lottery three times and in none of those years did they have the best odds. That includes the drafts they got both Hughes and Hischier. They moved up five spots to get Hischier.

Edmonton also won the lottery three times (I forgot they won it for the Hall draft) but they had the worst record that year anyway, and the second one was Yakupov. Edmonton only became a meme because they won the McDavid lottery against not that great odds when Buffalo was slated for the pick.

Wasting every pick until the league handed them multiple re-dos fits New Jersey way more than it does Edmonton.

 

[will1066]

I don't want to be mean but with all the pro athlete house burglaries lately I hope they burgle all of Mika's high end disc jockeying equipment and he had just bought an insurance policy for it but coverage doesn't start until next week.

 

[ArPanet]

Thread title should be Direct Strike

Or
Side Flash
Or
Conduction
Or
Ground Current
Or
Streamers

Zero Point Energy.

 

[Machinehead]

This is way too far out to even discuss is any legitimate way but if the team walks out of the draft with one of Hagens, Schaefer or Misa I’d feel better

Matt Tkachuk was a 6OA.

It's way too early to declare this guy won't be that, or that guy will be this.

I'll be happy if we get a high pick and hope for some luck.

 

[Machinehead]

The bigger point is this isn't a quick retool. Mika died, Kreider quit/died, Fox lost a step he couldn't lose, and Igor is goalie-ing. Those are the 4 guys along with Panarin who basically made last year happen game to game.

Fox should rebound at some point, Igor will fluctuate, but the first two are gone and not coming back. That's your all situations 1C and 1LW. Those are not getting replaced quickly no matter what you do. This is a 3-5 year project, and the 3 year version requires a kid or two to *really* break out, not Lafrenieres "I've not hit 60 points in year 5 of my career yet but we will call it a breakout."

I don't disagree. They should stink this year and at least the following year, and then you see what the draft gods gave you.

 

[mas0764]

Trade him before the NMC kicks in

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

That only happens in Canadian cities where nothing exists but the hockey team.

I would do it when I see them in Vegas in 2 weeks but I actually like T-Mobile and don’t want a lifetime ban. Maybe I’ll do it during a show at the Sphere

 

[Machinehead]

Trade him before the NMC kicks in

They won't do that.

But honestly, you probably could get away with it.

"Hey, we went 4-14, the situation changed."

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Winning the lottery =/= first overall.

The Devils have won the lottery three times and in none of those years did they have the best odds. That includes the drafts they got both Hughes and Hischier. They moved up five spots to get Hischier.

Edmonton also won the lottery three times (I forgot they won it for the Hall draft) but they had the worst record that year anyway, and the second one was Yakupov. Edmonton only became a meme because they won the McDavid lottery against not that great odds when Buffalo was slated for the pick.

Wasting every pick until the league handed them multiple re-dos fits New Jersey way more than it does Edmonton.

Um...

Sharks win NHL Draft Lottery, No. 1 pick | NHL.com

Earn right to select Boston University center Celebrini; Blackhawks get No. 2 choice, Ducks No. 3

www.nhl.com

McDavid is their 4th. The meme was long before McDavid in that they drafted Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Yakupov and were still a joke around the league.

 

[Machinehead]

Um...

Sharks win NHL Draft Lottery, No. 1 pick | NHL.com

Earn right to select Boston University center Celebrini; Blackhawks get No. 2 choice, Ducks No. 3

www.nhl.com

McDavid is their 4th. The meme was long before McDavid in that they drafted Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Yakupov and were still a joke around the league.

There was only a brief time in the history of the lottery where it guaranteed the 1st overall pick.

There's currently a max number of spots you can move up. Of course the Sharks winning the lottery constituted 1st overall - they had the worst record and didn't move up at all!

When the Devils won the lottery in 2011, they moved up 8 spots to select Adam Larsson. That was the same year Edmonton selected RNH. Jersey won the lottery. Edmonton got RNH because they had the worst record.

As a matter of fact -I could be wrong here- I think the lottery guaranteeing 1st overall was just a COVID thing. That's why you don't see teams moving up 14 spots like the Rangers did.

Kakko was a lottery pick. We went from 7th to 2nd. It wasn't 1st overall.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The draft lottery is bullshit. Within this rendition of the CBA, they changed the criteria three times. It's not consistent.

Right now, I believe you have to be in the bottom 5 of the league to have a shot at 1st overall. That should be the goal right now. Be ass enough to have a shot at 1st overall. There's a drop off after Hagens, Martone, and Schaefer. Misa is a pretty damn sure thing but not on the level of those guys. Watch the Rangers end up 5th and take a guy projected to go 12th overall.

 

[will1066]

Who really believes Igor when he said he let Lavi beat him at practice?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

What the f*** are you even saying

I'm saying that Brodz is a 13th forward who can come in and give energy every once in a blue moon. When he plays too much or too often, he's exposed.

 

[Machinehead]

The draft lottery is bullshit. Within this rendition of the CBA, they changed the criteria three times. It's not consistent.

Right now, I believe you have to be in the bottom 5 of the league to have a shot at 1st overall. That should be the goal right now. Be ass enough to have a shot at 1st overall. There's a drop off after Hagens, Martone, and Schaefer. Misa is a pretty damn sure thing but not on the level of those guys. Watch the Rangers end up 5th and take a guy projected to go 12th overall.

They constantly change the rules in response to particular results, because they put RNG in the sport and then get mad when the random number generator spits out a random number they didn't like. Don't do it then.

The current rules are that you can move up ten spots, so anybody in the top 10 can pick 1st overall, with the odds obviously being in accordance with your original pick.

When the Rangers got Lafreniere and Kakko back to back, they added another rule (because f*** us I guess but the Devils can get away with whatever) that you can't move up in the lottery more than twice in five years (1st, 2nd, or 3rd prize, doesn't matter - you can't move up again at all).

The second to last time we moved up was Kakko, and he will have expired prior to the 2025 draft. Lafreniere will expire prior to the 2026 draft, so legally, we can win the next two.

Then we wouldn't be able to win another one until 2030 when the 2025 win expires.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I feel like we're going to waste Berard and Cuylle.

Their ideal roles are as the dogs on lines with skilled players.

We currently don't have those players and I have no idea where they're coming from.

I also absolutely HATE that any time we have players that bring a different element, we play them all together in a reduced role.

We're still doing the grabass lines over here and the hockey lines over here. We don't seem to have any interest in building a diverse lineup with buy-in.

Play with your friends however you guys feel like playing, if you're not one of those guys, play with the other grinders on lines that have no chance of scoring.

It's going to change as soon as next season. Berard like Mancini is actually ahead of schedule.

 

[Wtp99]

Trash, horrible trash.
65 years I have been with my rose colored glasses on, thinking no matter what they were the best. This is the worst and has no way to go any where but down at this point.
Drury can stick his memo up his ass. Our 11 million goalie looked like 11 cents.
I don’t know what else to say

 

[Machinehead]

I don't want to be mean but with all the pro athlete house burglaries lately I hope they burgle all of Mika's high end disc jockeying equipment and he had just bought an insurance policy for it but coverage doesn't start until next week.

This is the part that's mean.

 

[Good Intentions]

I'm saying that Brodz is a 13th forward who can come in and give energy every once in a blue moon. When he plays too much or too often, he's exposed.

He’s a journeyman AAAA player. Dime a dozen in the A.

You’re talking about Jamal Crawford. What is happening?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

This is way too far out to even discuss is any legitimate way but if the team walks out of the draft with one of Hagens, Schaefer or Misa I’d feel better

And trades most of the veterans on this roster with value.

He’s a journeyman AAAA player. Dime a dozen in the A.

You’re talking about Jamal Crawford. What is happening?

I was saying he is a good bench guy. The guy was saying that a bench guy in NBA is like a 2C.

We have people here saying he's better than 90% of 4th liners and others calling him a AAAA player.

I'm saying he'd be fine to spot for Carrick (who played like trash tonight) on Monday. We're really gonna argue over Johnny Brodz's usage and an NBA bench analogy?

 

[Machinehead]

Here's the crazy thing: if Chicago ends up with the worst record, and then wins the lottery and selects 1st overall, that doesn't count towards the "2 in 5 years" rule because it doesn't constitute "moving up." Their original pick was #1. The language of the rule says "moving up."

So it does f*** all to prevent teams from tanking, it just prevents the teams not tanking from getting lucky, because that's not in the script.

 

[Good Intentions]

And trades most of the veterans on this roster with value.


I was saying he is a good bench guy. The guy was saying that a bench guy in NBA is like a 2C.

We have people here saying he's better than 90% of 4th liners and others calling him a AAAA player.

I'm saying he'd be fine to spot for Carrick (who played like trash tonight) on Monday. We're really gonna argue over Johnny Brodz's usage and an NBA bench analogy?

He’s nothing like a backup center, he’s just irrelevant to the entire thing. When there are three injuries and he’s forced into the lineup, he can hold his own for a couple nights.

 

[Machinehead]

And trades most of the veterans on this roster with value.


I was saying he is a good bench guy. The guy was saying that a bench guy in NBA is like a 2C.

We have people here saying he's better than 90% of 4th liners and others calling him a AAAA player.

I'm saying he'd be fine to spot for Carrick (who played like trash tonight) on Monday. We're really gonna argue over Johnny Brodz's usage and an NBA bench analogy?

A good bench player in the NBA is an important player. Your 6th man is a very important player. As a matter of fact, a lot of teams are set up so that their first player off the bench is the backup point guard. He's running the offense when he's playing. That's why I said it's like a 2C.

Brodzinski (and Carrick for that matter) are like the guys who have "DNP" next to them most games. That's your 10th, 11th, 12th man.