Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Americanadian]

I really can't come up with much for D either. The only thing I can realistically come up with, is new guy in Calgary looks for some flexibility to work out deals for Backlund, Hanifin, Kylington, and a bunch others at the end of next year, and decides to move Weegar, and we send back Brodie, plus something. At best that's a pretty thin trade idea.

But something around

Mo Schenn
McCabe Weegar
Gio Lilly
Timmins

Isn't a bad group at all. Some physicality, some offense...

I am 1.5 mil over the cap, with a 22 man roster with such a trade, and I'm not sure how to address it at the moment. Maybe Schenn takes $1.5 instead of $2, and we get RoR at $4.5 instead of $5, and run 21 man roster....

Bertuzzi Matthews Nylander
Knies RoR Marner
Comtois Tavares Jarnkrok
Lafferty McBain Acciari

D as above

Samsonov
Woll

I would target Weegar if he was valued according to his contract and not his current play. He has been a decent #2 defenseman for 3 seasons now which should fetch a lot but his contract runs until he's 37 which will be tough for the last 3-4 years. His value should be somewhere between #2 defenseman and a proactive cap dump. I'd do Nylander for him straight up or the 28OA+Robertson or Niemela.

 

[Fogelhund]

I would target Weegar if he was valued according to his contract and not his current play. He has been a decent #2 defenseman for 3 seasons now which should fetch a lot but his contract runs until he's 37 which will be tough for the last 3-4 years. His value should be somewhere between #2 defenseman and a proactive cap dump. I'd do Nylander for him straight up or the 28OA+Robertson or Niemela.

I was thinking along the lines of Brodie + Robertson.

 

[Americanadian]

I was thinking along the lines of Brodie + Robertson.

It Conroy views his contract as bad that might be enough but I doubt he does. I'd imagine a lot of teams would offer real value for him.

I'd do:

Weegar+Vladar+Duehr

for

Nylander+28OA

Then move off Samsonov in a separate deal.

 

[Mess]

I was thinking along the lines of Brodie + Robertson.

33 year old former Flame TJ Brodie with 1 year left on his $5 mil deal and the often injured Robertson is not going to get you Weegar who was a key piece in the Tkackuk trade don't forget. IMO

Flames let Brodie walk as a UFA years ago because they didn't want to pay him $5 mil and they signed Chris Tanev from Vancouver as his replacement @ $4.5 mil.

Weeger just lead Team Canada to Gold at the World Championships and was named as one of the best players in the tournament.

• 2022-2023
  
  • World Championship All-Star Team
  • World Championship Best Defenseman
  • World Championship Gold Medal
  • World Championship Most Goals by Defenseman (3)
  • World Championship Most Points by Defenseman (11)
  • World Championship Top 3 Player on Team

 

[Americanadian]

33 year old former Flame TJ Brodie with 1 year left on his $5 mil deal and the often injured Robertson is not going to get you Weegar who was a key piece in the Tkackuk trade don't forget. IMO

Flames let Brodie walk as a UFA years ago because they didn't want to pay him $5 mil and they signed Chris Tanev from Vancouver as his replacement @ $4.5 mil.

I agree with all of this except the part about the Flame letting Brodie walk. Treliving let Brodie walk a season after he tried to trade him to the Leafs. Treliving is now with the Leafs. That doesn't necessarily mean Conroy values Brodie highly but it's a new leadership group than the one that let him walk.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

It Conroy views his contract as bad that might be enough but I doubt he does. I'd imagine a lot of teams would offer real value for him.

I'd do:

Weegar+Vladar+Duehr

for

Nylander+28OA

Then move off Samsonov in a separate deal.

Nylander+ for Weegar? Not happening.

 

[Americanadian]

Nylander+ for Weegar? Not happening.

Nylander's next contract has a decent chance of being worse than Weegar's current contract. Both will run until age 37. Weegar is the more valuable position and overall better player.

 

[Mess]

I agree with all of this except the part about the Flame letting Brodie walk. Treliving let Brodie walk a season after he tried to trade him to the Leafs. Treliving is now with the Leafs. That doesn't necessarily mean Conroy values Brodie highly but it's a new leadership group than the one that let him walk.

Yup new management new ideas..

Treliving tried to pull a fast one and trade TJ Brodie for Nazem Kadri and Toronto would have done it, if not for Kadri nixing the deal with this NTC.

Then he let him walk away as UFA a year later. So Leafs new GM trying to deal Brodie away this summer would not come as surprise at all, just that the return for a 33 year old with 1 year remaining will not be high.

I'd trade Brodie back to Calgary for Chris Tanev, Mo Rielly and Tanev were very successful D partners of WC team that won Gold in 2016. Tanev is also a RHD were Brodie is a LHD trying to play the right side.

Treliving also inherited Giordano when he took the Calgary job and let him go in expansion to Seattle. When making his rounds at PC he said he was surprised to see 75 year old Gio still playing. So I can see both ex-Flames on the way out of Toronto this summer.

 

[pspot]

Nashville is the team that might make sense for Nylander, they need scoring, win now. not sure of pieces Askarov would be an interesting long play for leafs, also like Fabbro

Maybe something like Sissons, Fabbro, and 15th or Ask

 

[Fogelhund]

33 year old former Flame TJ Brodie with 1 year left on his $5 mil deal and the often injured Robertson is not going to get you Weegar who was a key piece in the Tkackuk trade don't forget. IMO

Flames let Brodie walk as a UFA years ago because they didn't want to pay him $5 mil and they signed Chris Tanev from Vancouver as his replacement @ $4.5 mil.

I get that.. but those were Treliving's deals. The reason that they would move Weegar, is they need some cap flexibility moving forward, and feel his cap allocation, given his usage isn't warranted. Bringing in Nylander doesn't give them that cap space, when they have to extend Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, Kylington, and of course Nylander in this example next year, with very little cap room.

The whole reason to bring in Brodie, would be exactly because he only has one year left, because they would need that cap space, but still need a decent D man. Flames letting him walk, was also Treliving.

I get why you'd include Nylander, but he won't fit their cap, and makes the whole reason/need to move Weegar redundant. Sure, Nylander would be one of their top guys, but then they'd need to let Backlund or Lindholm walk... or trade them... I'm just not sure that's a fit.

Having said that.... Weegar + Backlund for Nylander + Brodie???? Whatever adds need to be done?

I also hadn't included Nylander in trades, as "allegedly" the big four wouldn't be moved.

So just for giggles.. you put in the Weegar + Backlund for Nylander and Brodie.

Now I have Matthews, Tavares, RoR, Backlund as C's. Plus McBain... Do you run Tavares Matthews Bertuzzi? Or do you not sign RoR and bring in a RW to play with Matthews... and who is that exactly? Kane? Killorn? I'd list Tarasenko, but his ask would likely be well above the $5 mil I'd have left..

 

[WTFMAN99]

I really can't come up with much for D either. The only thing I can realistically come up with, is new guy in Calgary looks for some flexibility to work out deals for Backlund, Hanifin, Kylington, and a bunch others at the end of next year, and decides to move Weegar, and we send back Brodie, plus something. At best that's a pretty thin trade idea.

But something around

Mo Schenn
McCabe Weegar
Gio Lilly
Timmins

Isn't a bad group at all. Some physicality, some offense...

I am 1.5 mil over the cap, with a 22 man roster with such a trade, and I'm not sure how to address it at the moment. Maybe Schenn takes $1.5 instead of $2, and we get RoR at $4.5 instead of $5, and run 21 man roster....

Bertuzzi Matthews Nylander
Knies RoR Marner
Comtois Tavares Jarnkrok
Lafferty McBain Acciari

D as above

Samsonov
Woll

They have Tanev, Weegar and Andersson at RD, although Weegar can play LD but seems like a waste.

Conroy isn't married to Weegar and might not want him moving forward.

Andersson at his age won't be moved.

Tanev isn't likely a long term solution versus the under contract Weegar...so maybe if the price is right something can be done.

Not sure what would be a good cost for Weegar.

 

[andora]

I get that.. but those were Treliving's deals. The reason that they would move Weegar, is they need some cap flexibility moving forward, and feel his cap allocation, given his usage isn't warranted. Bringing in Nylander doesn't give them that cap space, when they have to extend Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, Kylington, and of course Nylander in this example next year, with very little cap room.

The whole reason to bring in Brodie, would be exactly because he only has one year left, because they would need that cap space.

I get why you'd include Nylander, but he won't fit their cap, and makes the whole reason/need to move Weegar redundant. Sure, Nylander would be one of their top guys, but then they'd need to let Backlund or Lindholm walk... or trade them... I'm just not sure that's a fit.

Having said that.... Weegar + Backlund for Nylander + Brodie???? Whatever adds need to be done?

I also hadn't included Nylander in trades, as "allegedly" the big four wouldn't be moved.

None of it makes sense.. they have their flexibility coming.. i think tanev backlund toffoli zadorov and maybe more are all expiring. They have a decent goalie to trade in vladar even with his salary

They actually dont need to worry too much about flexibility moving forward - integrate pelletier and coronato this year and in theory they can replace some vets with those guys the year after

I dont think they need to trade away a 20 plus minute dman to make flexibility

 

[Mess]

I get that.. but those were Treliving's deals. The reason that they would move Weegar, is they need some cap flexibility moving forward, and feel his cap allocation, given his usage isn't warranted. Bringing in Nylander doesn't give them that cap space, when they have to extend Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, Kylington, and of course Nylander in this example next year, with very little cap room.

The whole reason to bring in Brodie, would be exactly because he only has one year left, because they would need that cap space, but still need a decent D man. Flames letting him walk, was also Treliving.

I get why you'd include Nylander, but he won't fit their cap, and makes the whole reason/need to move Weegar redundant. Sure, Nylander would be one of their top guys, but then they'd need to let Backlund or Lindholm walk... or trade them... I'm just not sure that's a fit.

Having said that.... Weegar + Backlund for Nylander + Brodie???? Whatever adds need to be done?

I also hadn't included Nylander in trades, as "allegedly" the big four wouldn't be moved.

While I appreciate the reasoning from a Calgary perspective to free up cap space, but wouldn't you think Toronto would be the least likely team to want to take on that Weeger contract because of their own current Cap situation nightmare?.

Moving Nylander about to get his raise to $9-$9.5 mil on a team already with 3 X $11 mil players under contract and AM about to get his raise. While the allegedly rumour is circulating about wanting to keep the core 4 together I think they're going to price themselves out of Toronto. Turning Nylander's future cap into a top pairing Dman allocating money from forward to defense does make sense as cap management. I think it has to be an either/or situation but you can't afford both.

Matthews @ $13.5 (approx)
Nylander @ $ 9.5 (approx)
Tavares @ $11 mil
Marner @ 10.9 mil
Rielly @ $ 7.5 mil
Weeger @ $6.25 mil

When the Matthews and Nylander's new deals kick in in 2024-25 the Salary Cap upper limited is projected at $87,500,000 while those 6 player contracts above total $58,600,00 which would be a C.H.% of 67%. Leafs would only have $29 mil cap space total for 8 more forwards + 4 Dmen + 2 goalies + 2 spares. (16 players)

 

[andora]

While I appreciate the reasoning from a Calgary perspective to free up cap space, but wouldn't you think Toronto would be the least likely team to want to take on that Weeger contract because of their own current Cap situation nightmare?.

Moving Nylander about to get his raise to $9-$9.5 mil on a team already with 3 X $11 mil players under contract and AM about to get his raise. While the allegedly rumour is circulating about wanting to keep the core 4 together I think they're going to price themselves out of Toronto. Turning Nylander's future cap into a top pairing Dman allocating money from forward to defense does make sense as cap management. I think it has to be an either/or situation but you can't afford both.

Matthews @ $13.5 (approx)
Nylander @ $ 9.5 (approx)
Tavares @ $11 mil
Marner @ 10.9 mil
Rielly @ $ 7.5 mil
Weeger @ $6.25 mil

When the Matthews and Nylander's new deals kick in in 2024-25 the Salary Cap upper limited is projected at $87,500,000 while those 6 player contracts above total $58,600,00 which would be a C.H.% of 67%. Leafs would only have $29 mil cap space total for 8 more forwards + 4 Dmen + 2 goalies + 2 spares. (16 players)

2 per guy.. we need 14 mccabes and jarnkroks

 

[horner]

I think a big focus should be getting a guy up front who can play 2C as well. Monahan looks good in FA, or I wouldn't mind trade liljergren for a comparable centre (Morgan Frost from philly?)

Scott Laughton

 

[Mess]

I think a big focus should be getting a guy up front who can play 2C as well. Monahan looks good in FA, or I wouldn't mind trade liljergren for a comparable centre (Morgan Frost from philly?)

Leafs have one in Ryan O'Reilly currently under contract until July 1st.. Might even get him re-signed for approx $5-5.5 mil.
BUT
Problem their handcuffed paying Tavares $11 mil and he is too slow and weak 5v5 that they may have to move him to the wing with less defensive responsibilities.

 

[Americanadian]

My current roster:

Trades:

Weegar+Duehr+Vladar for Nylander+28OA
Colton for Jarnkrok (re-sign Colton 3Mx4)
Foegele for Lafferty
Samsonov for Petry+PIT 2024 2nd
Niederreiter for Brodie
Bastian for PIT 2024 2nd (re-sign Bastian 1.6Mx3)
Garland for Timmins

UFA:
Rodrigues 3.7Mx4
Schenn 1.55Mx2
Acciari 1.55Mx2

Schenn, Holmberg as extra. Demote Murray to Marlies. 3.4M in cap space with extras/demotions. Murray comes up if Vladar/Woll can not handle split minutes.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs have one in Ryan O'Reilly currently under contract until July 1st.. Might even get him re-signed for approx $5-5.5 mil.
BUT
Problem their handcuffed paying Tavares $11 mil and he is too slow and weak 5v5 that they may have to move him to the wing with less defensive responsibilities.

Or third line perhaps, with some speedy guys.

 

[Mess]

Our defence doesn't need more #4-7s. We need a substantive #1-3 add with Muzzin retired and Brodie a declining rental.

What are we bringing in to hang with:
- Pietro/Theodore/McNabb
- Hedman/Sergachev/Cernak
- Ekblad/Montour/Forsling
- Slavin/Pesce/Skjei
- Makar/Toews/Byram
- McAvoy/Lindholm/Orlov

etc.

2+ years ago Rielly/Muzzin/Brodie was respectable, but now it's a problem. With the core getting raises and further bloating the team, idk how you solve this without one of them moving for a D. Next summer we'll be looking at Rielly/McCabe/??. Can't get to that.

That is why William Nylander about to get a +$2 mil raise dealt for a top pairing Dman makes the most sense for Toronto.

Nylander for Seth Jones or Zach Werenski or Ivan Provorov or Colton Parayko or John Carlson or Dougie Hamilton etc.

 

[Torontonian]

Trades aside; what targets would be available for us in FA that speak to what Treliving wants; tougher infront of their net and tougher infront of ours? We have around 16m in cap space, 20m with Murray gone.

Forwards;
Bertuzzi
Connor Brown ( hurt all last season, could be cheap)
Haula 3C
Kampf 4C

Defence;
Mayfield
Schenn

 

[andora]

Trades aside; what targets would be available for us in FA that speak to what Treliving wants; tougher infront of their net and tougher infront of ours? We have around 16m in cap space, 20m with Murray gone.

Forwards;
Bertuzzi
Connor Brown ( hurt all last season, could be cheap)
Haula 3C
Kampf 4C

Defence;
Mayfield
Schenn

I think tougher needs to be combined with quicker as well.. haula is the only forward there that kinda ticks both boxes.. he plays gritty hockey

I worry about mayfield being too slow with the way they play.. now if that changes he could work

Look at mcnabb with vegas.. he is like a molasses drip but the forwards support him very well so he can hang

 

[WTFMAN99]

My current roster:

Trades:

Weegar+Duehr+Vladar for Nylander+28OA
Colton for Jarnkrok (re-sign Colton 3Mx4)
Foegele for Lafferty
Samsonov for Petry+PIT 2024 2nd
Niederreiter for Brodie
Bastian for PIT 2024 2nd (re-sign Bastian 1.6Mx3)
Garland for Timmins

UFA:
Rodrigues 3.7Mx4
Schenn 1.55Mx2
Acciari 1.55Mx2

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Schenn, Holmberg as extra. Demote Murray to Marlies. 3.4M in cap space with extras/demotions. Murray comes up if Vladar/Woll can not handle split minutes.

I would try to limit yourself to 3-4 trades at the most.

 

[Americanadian]

Trades aside; what targets would be available for us in FA that speak to what Treliving wants; tougher infront of their net and tougher infront of ours? We have around 16m in cap space, 20m with Murray gone.

Forwards;
Bertuzzi
Connor Brown ( hurt all last season, could be cheap)
Haula 3C
Kampf 4C

Defence;
Mayfield
Schenn

The UFA class is pretty bad. They should look at how Vegas is building a tough fast team: low value 22-25 year old acquisitions. Carrier, Howden, Roy, Kolesar were all acquired via trade before they were known NHL commodities.

 

[Americanadian]

I would try to limit yourself to 3-4 trades at the most.

Why? I want the Leafs to win, not ice the same looking teams we've seen continuously fail. The Leafs also have 5 holes up front right now which most likely won't all be resolved via UFA. Then you include the fact that Treliving appears to want to do a makeover on D and you'll most likely see a good chunk of trades this off-season.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Why? I want the Leafs to win, not ice the same looking teams we've seen continuously fail. The Leafs also have 5 holes up front right now which most likely won't all be resolved via UFA. Then you include the fact that Treliving appears to want to do a makeover on D and you'll most likely see a good chunk of trades this off-season.

It's not NHL23

I get the desire for change etc but then think of how many realistic trades will actually occur in 1 off-season.