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what i learned recently is hes actually a .400 hitter in the dome over his career..pretty nice to have him.
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what i learned recently is hes actually a .400 hitter in the dome over his career..pretty nice to have him.
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We aren't putting Manoah in the pen.
BlueForever75
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That is my prediction.
Manoah to pen after the Angels doubleheader.
Stripling has experience in the bullpen but he's been one of our better starters lately. I know Matz looked good yesterday but I wouldnt want to touch Stripling in rotation. I know Manoah has been good but I just feel using him in more games out of bullpen gives us more value and fills a need.
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I agree with BeastCoast Manoah has been one of our best pitchers, so I'd move Stripling to the pen
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With the Sox currently getting dummied by the Tigers, Jays have a good shot at being 5 games back by the end of the night
I think last week they were as far as 9 games back
I think last week they were as far as 9 games back
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I don't see how this makes sense.
Manoah is pitching like a front of the rotation starter and despite his age/rookie status, he looks MUCH more able to provide consistent results than either Matz or Stripling do. If you want to keep the bullpen fresh, it doesn't make sense to pull the one starter who is not only pitching at the highest level, but is also doing so most consistently. The general trend of pushing inconsistent or failing starters into the bullpen is a trend for a reason: one, most of those guys are capable of being effective over only 1-2 innings as opposed to 5-6 innings, and two: competent starting innings is still MUCH more valuable than relief innings...hence why you don't see teams pushing their better starters into the bullpen unnecessarily.
Manoah to the bullpen only makes sense if he's getting near his innings limit and they're trying to manage his workload. I don't think it makes any sense under the idea that it somehow "improves" the team to have him pitching out of the bullpen.
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Should the Mets put DeGrom in the pen? Get to pitch in more games right? It just isn't going to happen. A top starter brings more value to your team then a top end bullpen arm every single time and it really isn't a debate.
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What's fun about about our rotation is that currently our 3rd and 4th pitchers in the rotation (Berrios, Manoah) are just as good as Ryu and Ray right now. Obviously a smaller sample size here with Manoah but pretty crazy to imagine. If this keeps up it's like having 4 #2 starters (or 4 #1's depending on definition). *knocks wood*.
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This stretch will be so fun to watch. Hope the pen holds up.
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I wouldnt put Manoah close to DeGrom. That is just very silly.
The purpose to put him in pen is because he's a young arm. You are preserving his health while still being able to give great innings out of the pen. You only have this luxury because of having 5 starting pitchers along with himself that should be in a MLB starting rotation.
You may be on to something with DeGrom though!!!! Maybe if the Mets were a little more careful with him he wouldnt be in the position he's been in all year!!!! In his younger MLB years.
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Kiley McDaniel's midseason top 50 MLB prospects
Hard to be upset about the Berrios trade. Martin drops outside of the top 50 on most lists and every revised list has SWR not in their top 100. Wish we got more back but perhaps this was selling assets before a steep decline.
Hard to be upset about the Berrios trade. Martin drops outside of the top 50 on most lists and every revised list has SWR not in their top 100. Wish we got more back but perhaps this was selling assets before a steep decline.
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Only way I am putting Manoah in the pen is if they still have a specific innings limit for him this year, which could be possible for the playoffs if they want to roll with Ryu-Berrios-Ray mostly if we end up in a 5 or 7 game series.
But even then, I would eat all his innings as a starter until he gets close to his limit before moving him.
But even then, I would eat all his innings as a starter until he gets close to his limit before moving him.
Sadly, the Jays don’t seem to have anyone as close to being as big of an impact as Manoah in the system right now that I’m aware of. Hoglund and Pearson have some nice upside but I don’t see them as sure fire prospects until their health and durability is steady. The Berrios trade was such a big need.
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Manoah wasn't a surefire prospect when he was drafted. he was considered a top shelf reliever who could rocket through the system or 3/4 innings eater as an optimistic projection when he joined the system. All this helium to becoming a shiny, valuable prospect came about in the last couple years.
Moreno and Martinez also weren't necessarily considered blue-chippers. Valuable pieces, yes, but I don't think there was talk about Moreno being a top 50 type.
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My head is spinning at the mere suggestion of Manoah to the pen
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Its bonkers. The guy is having one of the best starts in Jays history and they'll move him to the pen? Unless there's an innings limit, theres absolutely no chance that happens. And if they're concerned about that, they're better off having him start and limiting his IP/pitch count.
I meant for the pitching staff (right now).
Most of our high end prospects are position players. I don't think there's a Manoah type of pitcher that can step in this year as a starter
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I mean, that was the "projection" by SOME draft-pundits, but it obviously wasn't the projection that the Blue Jays had - otherwise they wouldn't have drafted him 11th overall (no one takes a pitcher that high who they project to at best be a reliever). He carried that label because he was only a full-time starter in his final year at West Virginia, and in that season they basically only had him throwing fastballs and sliders (because that's all he needed to overpower college hitters). The Jays however were convinced in what little they saw out of his changeup, and made it a point to emphasize that they believed that he did indeed have a third pitch, and that he could stick as a starter for that reason.
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From another forum;
pretty much only Vladdy has long term value to us. The rest likely are going in 2-3 years.
pretty much only Vladdy has long term value to us. The rest likely are going in 2-3 years.
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