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Looking more and more like this season will come down to the next round of games with Boston. If Toronto can take back the 6 games they lost (or more!), and other teams continue to fade, then they just might get back into this thing.
 
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It makes no sense why he isn't getting a chance with the big club. He was on fire
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Well it's hard to make room on the 40 man when Breyvic Valera and Kirby Snead are such integral pieces.

They traded Joel Payamps for cash and they're worried about losing Kirby Snead for nothing. Amazing.
 
dredeye said:
It makes no sense why he isn't getting a chance with the big club. He was on fire
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He has a slightly higher ops then Cavan Biggio had in AAA at the same age (24) his bat looks ready.
Hoverhand said:
Well it's hard to make room on the 40 man when Breyvic Valera and Kirby Snead are such integral pieces.

They traded Joel Payamps for cash and they're worried about losing Kirby Snead for nothing. Amazing.
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He's been playing almost exclusively at SS for the Bisons so where does he fit? Should probably give him a run of games at 3B in AAA if that's the plan.
 
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Romano has been pretty much poop since the sticky stuff crackdown.

Who's the next closer option? Soria? Hand? Pearson?
 
I think Smith has played a handful of games at 3B so far this year, just from the games and lineup sheets I have seen.

Where can one find his starts at 3B vs. SS? I know it has been primarily SS though.
 
SDig14 said:
I think Smith has played a handful of games at 3B so far this year, just from the games and lineup sheets I have seen.

Where can one find his starts at 3B vs. SS? I know it has been primarily SS though.
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Yeah he's played games at 3B at least a few in July but mostly SS and In August so far only SS. I think it's like 80 % SS just scrolling through the box scores

I think if they were to bring him up to play mostly 3B in the MLB they would play him more at 3b for the Bisons, i'm not sure what the plan is.
 
Smith has played 115 innings at 3B, 423 innings at SS, 33 innings in LF and 1 inning in RF this year.
 
zeke said:
Romano has been pretty much poop since the sticky stuff crackdown.

Who's the next closer option? Soria? Hand? Pearson?
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Soria just hit the 10 day I.L, Pearson is on the I.L but getting close.

It's looking like some combo of Hand, Romano, Cimber I think. Cimber has looked the best.
 
One of the more underrated aspects of those 2015/2016/2017 Jays teams was just how reliable and good Roberto Osuna was.

5th amongst relievers in WAR over that period after Aroldis Chapman, Kenley Jensen, Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances.
 
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Soria just hit the 10 day I.L, Pearson is on the I.L but getting close.

It's looking like some combo of Hand, Romano, Cimber I think. Cimber has looked the best.
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I think Richards has looked solid. I have more confidence in him than I do Romano. I really hope Pearson can come back very soon.
 
I believe after the second double header next week, the Jays will adjust their rotation back to 5 starters. One starter will need to be moved to bullpen. In my eyes it should be one of Matz or Manoah. Both power pitchers that can both be used for 1-2 innings with above average power.

Pair that with the hopeful return of Merrywether and Pearson. That will be 3 power arms with strikeout potential added to the bullpen. Our bullpen needs to get through the next week to 10 days with respectable results. Reinforcements are coming.
 
Didn't realize how badly Romano has been shelled over his past 8 or so appearances. At this point, Cimber should be considered the best arm in the pen and should be put into the most important situations.

BlueForever75 said:
I believe after the second double header next week, the Jays will adjust their rotation back to 5 starters. One starter will need to be moved to bullpen. In my eyes it should be one of Matz or Manoah. Both power pitchers that can both be used for 1-2 innings with above average power.
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I cannot imagine them putting Manoah into the bullpen while keeping Matz and Stripling in the rotation, it just doesn't make sense. This isn't even an Aaron Sanchez situation either, Manoah has only pitched 65.1 innings this year.
 
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Anybody know of any relief prospects or someone in a AA/AAA rotation that can throw absolute heat in the pen? Jays need Murphy to sort his shit out right now.
 
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Didn't realize how badly Romano has been shelled over his past 8 or so appearances. At this point, Cimber should be considered the best arm in the pen and should be put into the most important situations.


I cannot imagine them putting Manoah into the bullpen while keeping Matz and Stripling in the rotation, it just doesn't make sense. This isn't even an Aaron Sanchez situation either, Manoah has only pitched 65.1 innings this year.
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Putting Manoah in the pen would increase his velocity 2-3 ticks higher. He already tops out at 97 as a starter. Only reason to put him in the pen is for exactly that. The ability to strikeout batters and be able to go 2 innings.

Imagine Matz and Stripling give us a solid 5-6 innings in their starts to have Manoah piggy back them both in their spots in the rotation. It decreases the use of our bullpen for 2 turns in the rotation. Utilize bullpen to mop up Ryu, Berrios and Ray starts. I would do the same for Pearson when he's back. Pick 2 pitchers in the rotation where he is the next man up in their starts. It allows less bullpen arms to be used which is our weakness.

Matz pitches - Pearson follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Stripling pitches- Manoah follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Ryu pitches - Bullpen day (Cimber, Richards, Hand, Soria, Mayza, Romano, Dolis)
Ray pitches - Pearson follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Berrios pitches - Bullpen day (Cimber, Richards, Hand, Soria, Mayza, Romano, Dolis)

I call this the REVERSE OPENER.

The Jays strength is the starting rotation. The depth they have there should be utilized to lessen burden on bullpen. Using Manoah and Pearson as the REVERSE OPENER not only shows batters a different look with harder stuff than the starters, but also gives the opportunity to control games longer prior to having to get to the bullpen.

We see this in the playoffs all the time when teams go to a 3 or 4 man rotation. Or a game 7 when teams make their ace available to pitch if it isnt there turn around to start that specific game. All hands on board type of thing.

In my eyes with the depth this rotation has. This is the route they should go.
 
BlueForever75 said:
Putting Manoah in the pen would increase his velocity 2-3 ticks higher. He already tops out at 97 as a starter. Only reason to put him in the pen is for exactly that. The ability to strikeout batters and be able to go 2 innings.

Imagine Matz and Stripling give us a solid 5-6 innings in their starts to have Manoah piggy back them both in their spots in the rotation. It decreases the use of our bullpen for 2 turns in the rotation. Utilize bullpen to mop up Ryu, Berrios and Ray starts. I would do the same for Pearson when he's back. Pick 2 pitchers in the rotation where he is the next man up in their starts. It allows less bullpen arms to be used which is our weakness.

Matz pitches - Pearson follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Stripling pitches- Manoah follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Ryu pitches - Bullpen day (Cimber, Richards, Hand, Soria, Mayza, Romano, Dolis)
Ray pitches - Pearson follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Berrios pitches - Bullpen day (Cimber, Richards, Hand, Soria, Mayza, Romano, Dolis)

I call this the REVERSE OPENER.

The Jays strength is the starting rotation. The depth they have there should be utilized to lessen burden on bullpen. Using Manoah and Pearson as the REVERSE OPENER not only shows batters a different look with harder stuff than the starters, but also gives the opportunity to control games longer prior to having to get to the bullpen.

We see this in the playoffs all the time when teams go to a 3 or 4 man rotation. Or a game 7 when teams make their ace available to pitch if it isnt there turn around to start that specific game. All hands on board type of thing.

In my eyes with the depth this rotation has. This is the route they should go.
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I get what your saying come playoff time we will have starters move to the pen but that won’t happen with Manoah right now. Manoah is one of the best young starters in the game there’s basically no chance they would pull him from the rotation especially after a 7 inning shut out and him putting up the numbers that he is. You want your best guys in the rotation giving you as many innings as possible.
 
BlueForever75 said:
Putting Manoah in the pen would increase his velocity 2-3 ticks higher. He already tops out at 97 as a starter. Only reason to put him in the pen is for exactly that. The ability to strikeout batters and be able to go 2 innings.

Imagine Matz and Stripling give us a solid 5-6 innings in their starts to have Manoah piggy back them both in their spots in the rotation. It decreases the use of our bullpen for 2 turns in the rotation. Utilize bullpen to mop up Ryu, Berrios and Ray starts. I would do the same for Pearson when he's back. Pick 2 pitchers in the rotation where he is the next man up in their starts. It allows less bullpen arms to be used which is our weakness.

Matz pitches - Pearson follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Stripling pitches- Manoah follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Ryu pitches - Bullpen day (Cimber, Richards, Hand, Soria, Mayza, Romano, Dolis)
Ray pitches - Pearson follows (whether that is for 3-4 innings or 1-2 innings)
Berrios pitches - Bullpen day (Cimber, Richards, Hand, Soria, Mayza, Romano, Dolis)

I call this the REVERSE OPENER.

The Jays strength is the starting rotation. The depth they have there should be utilized to lessen burden on bullpen. Using Manoah and Pearson as the REVERSE OPENER not only shows batters a different look with harder stuff than the starters, but also gives the opportunity to control games longer prior to having to get to the bullpen.

We see this in the playoffs all the time when teams go to a 3 or 4 man rotation. Or a game 7 when teams make their ace available to pitch if it isnt there turn around to start that specific game. All hands on board type of thing.

In my eyes with the depth this rotation has. This is the route they should go.
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part of the reason for the strength of the starting rotation has been manoah though, hes got the best numbers on our staff since he was brought up. putting him in the bullpen when he has no innings issues just takes one of biggest strengths and makes it worse.
matz is jekyll and hyde and cannot be counted on to perform well enough consistantly, and stripling is just not that good imo. having a better starting rotation will do more for winning games than having an upgrade in the bullpen. stick matz or stripling in long relief and call it a day(im leaning towards stripling in the pen) and let our starting rotation dominate.
 
Tigers have bases loaded in the 2nd inning and Boston is going to the bullpen. Good news with the Sox coming to town tomorrow for 4 games including a doubleheader
 
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