Petes2424
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A lot of good points. The time is now on Edler for sure. It's the one move that can be addressed and it closes the door for the next 5 years in the top 4 need department.
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Possible trade and roster fixes for the Wings, Part III
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A lot of good points. The time is now on Edler for sure. It's the one move that can be addressed and it closes the door for the next 5 years in the top 4 need department.
I think if Holland wants to do a "hockey" move, we're likely going to be pretty disappointed in the player he acquires. The types of players he's looking to move, likely, are going to be guys who won't bring back anything relevant. Maybe a team looks at Bert and decides he's a cheap veteran at the end of the line, and moves a piece to bring him in to piss people off and maybe help them offensively a tiny bit (assuming they think he is better than the horrible season he has had in Detroit), but what piece would they move for a guy like that? An equally bad contract? A conditional pick? Holland just isn't going to get a whole lot for him. Plus, he's got a no-trade clause. Maybe a team looks into acquiring a guy like Kindl or Quincey, but neither of those guys are going to net a phenomenal return either, and if you move one of those guys to ADDRESS improving the defense, what type of return can you really ask in return? Their value is just not that high, most likely.
If Holland makes a deal that involves Kindl or Quincey + a prospect + a pick, maybe he can bring someone in, but I just don't know how that would work. Maybe a trade that involves someone like Kindl for another team's young, disappointing prospect, or veteran d-man could be good just as a change of scenery type trade. I don't know, it just seems like Detroit isn't going to get much of anything in a pure "hockey trade".
If Holland makes a deal that involves Kindl or Quincey + a prospect + a pick, maybe he can bring someone in, but I just don't know how that would work. Maybe a trade that involves someone like Kindl for another team's young, disappointing prospect, or veteran d-man could be good just as a change of scenery type trade. I don't know, it just seems like Detroit isn't going to get much of anything in a pure "hockey trade".
I feel like Detroit's need for a top 4 d-man is now, rather than later. In a few years you would think one or two of those prospects could step in and help in the top 4, but more than anything right now Detroit's lack of a top 4 d-man is apparent.
I don't know if Detroit needs a guy like Edler who will be on the team for another 5 years, while Kronwall and Ericsson are both signed up for that length, but I guess that's a problem to worry about later on. If Detroit's prospects develop, and obviously guys like Almquist, Oullet, Marchenko are all close to NHL level if not ready already, it's going to become a problem down the road when Detroit has 3 guys locked up over 4 million on defense, plus whatever Dekeyser is making, if Smith actually develops into the d-man Detroit wants him to be.
I wish Detroit could bring someone in on a deal similar to Quincey's, whether it's a RFA deal or like a 3 year deal. That way Detroit could be out of it in a couple years. Otherwise, it's going to be a bit tough to make it all work out figuring the guys develop.
My lists would be similar but I'd put Mrazek in the tradeable category, and I want to keep Tatar.
Mrazek is full of potential but I don't see him reaching it in Detroit, he's just not going to get to play much in the next few years. The only problem is that despite his high potential it doesn't seem that prospect goalies hold much in the way of value.
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I think one of their "issues" they have internally is Smith. You see the way he played Wednesday and you slam dunk him in the top 4. I like the way Babcock is dealing with him. He's giving him important minutes but he's firm when he makes mistakes. He'll sit him in a heartbeat. It's nice to see the confidence he continues to play with. Good or bad, you want your younger D to not be afraid of making those mistakes. It's killing Kindl. I think acquiring Edler would just bring more competition and that's always a good thing.
Speaking of Kindl, he just desperately needs a change. Hopefully he gets that shot in Edmonton or another team that is desperate. He's done in Detroit unless something along the lines of the re-creation takes place.
If we go with this idea that there is almost always someone available and the price is usually going to be about the same, paying that price now or three months from now shouldn't be a big difference, no?
For what it's worth, I think you're right about a "top 3" guy almost always available and that prices usually hover around the same for whichever it is, but not all top3 guys are equal. I mean, just in this thread where we've talked about Edler and Ehrhoff, I would put Edler clearly above him, but both are "top 3" guys. so, yeah.
Agree that whether we make a move now potentially reflects just as much on our unwillingness to make a move as it does players available - outside of a team like Calgary just getting stupid greedy in negotiations.
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http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/02/red_wings_ken_holland_says_hed.html
Holland has already said he's not going after rentals (only hockey trades)
Eklund doesn't know what he is talking about
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No. Vanek is going to Minnesota at summer. Don't want these rentals, I would be interest only guys who'll promise an contract extension instantly after the trade or have extra contract years left.
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That is what i feel is going on. I think LA has shown the most interest but are unwilling to meet Snow's asking price. Isles scrambling to get another team involved.
So you're telling me the Wings were not interested in Ryan Miller!?!?!?!?
Of course they weren't. Why would you think they were? I'm sure they called just to see what Buffalo was asking for, as any good GM should do, but I doubt any sort of offer was made.
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Thoughts are that you should never, ever listen to Eklund. He's a quack, and I have no idea why people give him the time of day. Many years of experience should have long since convinced everybody that he isn't a reliable source, yet those seeking rumors grab at his headlines regularly. It's slightly frustrating.
As any good GM should do??? Given the price he was sure to demand, why would any team with solid goaltending bother to inquire about him? I seriously doubt that Holland and many other GMs bothered to do so.
yes guys are available all the time though i would speculate a team calling in july about kronwall out of the blue would find the price much steeper then a team calling about edler or ehrhoff right now given the nature of the situations(for sale sign up being the most important)
right now the momentum in buffalo for whole sale changes and a scorched earth policy is evident where picks and prospects rule the roost. in vancouver its a desire to change the complextion of the team while remaining competitive today AND building for the future more so then any other team out there
come summer time should both those two guys remain available from buffalo and vancouver every other team in the league will be all hands on deck whereas today its probably somewhat more limited due to cap space, desire to not rock the boat(anaheim), lack of need today(san jose) and being a bottom feeder(nyi) who dont normally take on salary or trade away youth at the deadline
right now vancouver and buffalo are at their weakest, they may not move either but should they then today is the time to strike
detroit needs a top 3 dman, none are available in free agency(which is always the wrong way to build a team unless your minnesota i guess) and we have struck out for years now in trying to meet that need
if kenny wont pony up now when the other guy is already down and the player is being made available(speculation of course) then their is no reasonable way to assume he will 4 months from now when the winds change a bit and not in our favour
the perfect cascade of events in our favour are at work rigth now
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If Holland is making a ''hockey trade'', I think he'll trade for a D. Look for Myers, Edler, and to a lesser extent McDonald. It will cost more for Myers, I think Edler could be had for some young scoring forwards (I won't venture a guess, there's too many to name) and McDonald could be had for Quincey and or picks.
That's about what I was thinking, but even then, I'm still very leery of trading Tatar.
It's crazy because a year ago I would have traded Nyquist+ for Edler without much thought. Now, I honestly believe his value has almost surpassed that of Edler's.
I wish we could just throw a bunch of high round draft picks at Vancouver for Edler, because I don't want to give up any of our young guys.
Hell no for Edler trade. No need for another Swede when we already get bullied by every team. Someone like Myers or even Greene would be nice.
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It's not about physicality. It's about toughness and ability to drop gloves if needed. But end of story I know you do not appreciate toughness and fighting in this board and maybe it's time for me to move on also. Hockey goes on and we will never have those golden times back when no one ****ed with Red Wings.
I doubt we'll get a top 3 defenceman in free agency as well, but I can't see how we land either without losing a couple of young players currently playing very well for us.
Are we better off with one of them bolstering our back end if it costs us some combination of Tatar, Nyquist, Dekeyser, Jurco, and Sheahan, plus pick(s) and possibly a prospect who hasn't gotten a chance at the NHL level yet?
Ehrhoff could probably be acquired cheaper than Edler, but if you put him in and lose any one of the guys I listed are we a much better team? I'm not so sure we are.
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