Possible trade and roster fixes for the Wings, Part III

[Crymson]

I think going after Kesler would be a great thing. He's a stud TWF who can play shut down and finesse hockey. He's also tremendous in the circle. I understand our defensive prospects are young, and choosing Kesler right now over a defenseman is a wrong choice, but I believe Kesler could add a whole different demension to our team more so than a defenseman. I truly believe if we're not getting Weber or Suter, our defense will always be average. May it Edler or Zidlicky, or whoever.

He's also a center, another of which we do not need; he'll be 30 soon, and players of his methods do not typically remain whole for very long; he's got only two years left on his contract; and this isn't likely to be a competitive season. More, he's absolutely not the player he was during his Selke days.

No sense in it.

 

[Ricelund]

When has this ever won anyone a Stanley Cup in the past 20+ years?

Carolina, probably. They traded for Weight and Recchi while their defense looked like this:

Hedican-Ward
Commodore-Kaberle
Wesley-Wallin

 

[Crymson]

Ehrhoff has been asked for the list of 8 teams he doesn't want to go to. Any chance the Wings trade to Buffalo for him, do we even want him, and if so -- who/what do we send them in return?

Given the very significant cap recapture penalties that the Sabres would suffer from trading Ehrhoff, it's pretty clear that they'd only move him for a significant overpayment.

In other words, he won't be coming to Detroit.

I am honestly wondering if the weird Kesler rumors are just a smokescreen while we work out a deal for Edler. But for all the reasons above I see no need for Kesler unless Weiss is going the other way. And that isn't happening.

Since when does anybody need smokescreens of this sort? This is hockey management, not war. More, Holland already said no to Gillis's offer over the summer; when has the latter been known to lower his asking price for a notable player?

(The answer: never).

Carolina, probably. They traded for Weight and Recchi while their defense looked like this:

Hedican-F. Kaberle
Commodore-Ward
Wesley-Wallin

Yep, and their victory in that series required an injury to Edmonton's starting goalie and a Conn Smythe-winning performance from their own.

 

[Winger98]

I think Ehrhoff is unlikely to be moved because Buffalo has a crappy defense and it would only get far far worse after removing Ehrhoff. And they won't get anyone back in a trade that will immediately replace him.

And I don't think there should be a big worry about him retiring. He's only31 now, he'll be 38 when his deal expires. We can always conjecture that he won't want to play for just a million bucks a year the last few years, but at that point I think it's more likely he goes the Kovalchuk route, his contract is mutually terminated, and he goes across the pond for a bigger paycheck.

 

[Crymson]

And I don't think there should be a big worry about him retiring. He's only31 now, he'll be 38 when his deal expires. We can always conjecture that he won't want to play for just a million bucks a year the last few years, but at that point I think it's more likely he goes the Kovalchuk route, his contract is mutually terminated, and he goes across the pond for a bigger paycheck.

It would be a huge risk for the Sabres nonetheless. Picture being the GM and waking up one day to find that Ehrhoff had decided to retire a season before the end of the contract, and that you were therefore out $10m of salary cap space for the season.

The Devils' avoidance of cap penalties due to Kovalchuk's departure had nothing to do with the manner in which his contract ended, and indeed it was actually a retirement from the league rather than a mutually agreed-upon end to the contract. There were, instead, no penalties simply because he had not yet reached the stage of his contract at which his salary would become higher than his cap hit. The way in which a player's contract ends has no impact upon the effect of any cap recapture penalties.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Shocker on the Kesler front:

The price is "significantly high," says one Western Conference source. Says a different source, "Really high. And I guess I can't blame them."

There's no way Kenny would pay that price. We're probably talking Nyquist+Tatar+DeKeyser+1st or something silly.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Shocker on the Kesler front:



There's no way Kenny would pay that price. We're probably talking Nyquist+Tatar+DeKeyser+1st or something silly.

I would'nt do this for both Kesler and Edler, Little lone just Kesler.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

It would be a huge risk for the Sabres nonetheless. Picture being the GM and waking up one day to find that Ehrhoff had decided to retire a season before the end of the contract, and that you were therefore out $10m of salary cap space for the season.

The Devils' avoidance of cap penalties due to Kovalchuk's departure had nothing to do with the manner in which his contract ended, and indeed it was actually a retirement from the league rather than a mutually agreed-upon end to the contract. There were, instead, no penalties simply because he had not yet reached the stage of his contract at which his salary would become higher than his cap hit. The way in which a player's contract ends has no impact upon the effect of any cap recapture penalties.

Pretty sure there would be a greater chance that Ehrhoff would retire a year early, Staying In Buffalo then say playing for a team like Detroit

 

[SimplySolace]

Shocker on the Kesler front:



There's no way Kenny would pay that price. We're probably talking Nyquist+Tatar+DeKeyser+1st or something silly.

****, I'd do that for like.. Weber.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

I've liked how Kesler plays and all, but man I've never been a fan of the guy. Dude dives, whines, and talks so much ****.

 

[detredWINgs]

Even with potential recapture penalties, the Sabres are open to trading Ehrhoff. They've asked him to submit his list.

Bet Hollands interested. He likes to give up big assets for defenseman he could've had for free.

 

[Crymson]

Pretty sure there would be a greater chance that Ehrhoff would retire a year early, Staying In Buffalo then say playing for a team like Detroit

Conjectural and irrelevant.

 

[Roy S]

If the choice were Holland or Holmgren, then I entirely agree. Although I don't think there is a "Holmgren-type" - there's just a Holmgren. And Holland is his polar opposite. But with that said, give me a Chiarelli or a Stan Bowman type any day of the week. I appreciate Holland for a lot of what he's done in the past, but once you reach the era of hockey where the 2005 lock-out repercussions hit the league, then his record becomes very sketchy. I'm not at all convinced that Holland is a good GM when there's a salary cap and a solid 25 teams vying for a playoff spot every year, because that entails some hard-nosed negotiating. I'm not sure we've ever seen that from Holland.

Well, the Wings have probably been the second best NHL team post-lockout and didnt tank like Chicago and Pitt to sustain their success. Suggesting Holland isn't a good GM past cap world because he doesn't engage in hard-nosed negotiating or whatever that means is ludicrous.

The prospect pool is also outstanding despite always drafting near the bottom of the draft and they've still maintained being a playoff team despite losing Lidstrom and Rafalski and watching Z, D, Franzen and Kronwall start to age. Fans have a tendency to not appreciate year in-year out playoff contention, but its been impressive that their lean years still see them going to the playoffs and getting within a goal of beating the eventual cup champs.

 

[SimplySolace]

Welp. There goes Girardi

 

[SoupNazi]

Welp. There goes Girardi

Frankly, I think Girardi is a product of his d partner. I don't really think he was that special anyway.

 

[SimplySolace]

Frankly, I think Girardi is a product of his d partner. I don't really think he was that special anyway.

I agree with you. However, I feel like it makes Edler more expensive

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I agree with you. However, I feel like it makes Edler more expensive

Pretty sure that Holland has already kicked the tires with Edler, I could see him possibly making a move on Ehrhoff though.

 

[SoupNazi]

I agree with you. However, I feel like it makes Edler more expensive

It could. But still Edler has that NTC and controls his own fate so I am not sure how many teams are getting in on the bidding.

 

[NyquistIsMyGod*]

Is nobody else interested in a bandage stop gap? Zidlicky is just so perfect for this team right now.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

Carolina, probably. They traded for Weight and Recchi while their defense looked like this:

Hedican-Ward
Commodore-Kaberle
Wesley-Wallin

That wasn't even the good Kaberle either. It was Tomas's brother though he did have a career year in 05-06

Shocker on the Kesler front:



There's no way Kenny would pay that price. We're probably talking Nyquist+Tatar+DeKeyser+1st or something silly.

I still think his value should be slightly more than Ryan. Ryan is less injury prone, more consistent goal scorer but he lacks the versatility and overall game of Kesler. I think we'd be looking at moving Sheahan/Tatar+Sproul/Ouellet/Marchenko+1st. I don't mind moving one of Sheahan/Tatar but I'd really rather not move one of our defenceman, especially Sproul.

I do think Kesler will get a ton of value but he's no longer the 70-80 point player he was in his peak years. Whoever gets him should expect more in the 60 range.

Welp. There goes Girardi

I never really wanted him in the 1st place. The last big name defensive defenceman that made it to FA was Volchenkov, IIRC he signed at the same age as Girardi did, and he has become a shadow of his former self and really has a poor contract.

 

[NyquistIsMyGod*]

I dont' see a point of Ryan Kesler to be honest. Love the shoot-first right handed guy but we don't need another injury prone player, specifically a centre. You have Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Weiss at the above 30 group, and then you have Helm, Sheahan, and Jarnkrok. Don't see the reason to trade off a massive package.

Prospects are good. Some even great. Sheahan's been showing that he could eventually become a poor man's Kesler (which is great). Best bet is to aquire a stop gap for this season. Let's be honest, there's about 18 forwards alone in Detroit/Grand Rapids that are capable of producing right now at this level.

 

[Bench]

Don't see the reason to trade off a massive package.

To win in the next few years. While Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still major players.

Don't worry, though, Holland won't gut the future. He didn't do it for Lidstrom and he won't do it moving forward. It's not his style. He'll keep trying to surround the kids with savvy veterans and bring them up slowly. If there's one thing Holland has consistently shown, it's his unwillingness to move prospects he covets. Guys like Nyquist, Jurco, and Tatar all must have gathered attention and he's been unwilling to deal any of them.

 

[Avery Rule]

Wonder what buffalo wants for Myers...

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Looks like Miller and Ott might be on there way to St Louis, Stewart would go to Ottawa.

 

[Avery Rule]

After seeing that I think we could get Myers for a good price.