What Holland said screams Edler, I just hope he doesn't overpay for him but from the sounds of it I don't think he will. I'm in firm belief they can make the playoffs with what they have. I think given how the year has played out roster wise, Tatar and Nyquist are going to take the opportunity to be key players in the playoff push and run with it. We'll all be able to go to the Main Board and give everyone a big middle finger in regards to them. But we won't, we like to keep it classy.
Possible trade and roster fixes for the Wings, Part III
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I don't understand why the lap dog media members don't just cut and paste last year's trade deadline comments to their articles. Holland says the same thing every year, talking about what he can't do. This is the first year in a long while though where I agree with him. No one is available that is attractive enough to warrant paying up for. BUT, I hope that this summer he makes some moves to clear out the logjam of prospects for team needs this summer, as opposed to not using them correctly when they're out of waiver options or losing them for nothing.
NOBODY is going to be available this summer that isnt available now that wasnt available last summer that wasnt avilabe last trade deadline
the prices ALWAYS remain the same, its the decision to act that has to change
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So the same guys available for trade last year at this time are the same now available? Am I reading that right?
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He's saying the same type of player. Not that Jay Bouwmeester was available last year and this year, but that a guy with his talent is available at any time and at a similar price.
Basically saying that if Holland doesn't like the price of a top 4 D now, he'll never like it, because the price for a certain level of player is going to remain pretty static.
no, just that if we're want a top 3 dman none is going to fall into our laps, ever.
the prices remain the same, the avilability remains the same
they're availble all the time you just have to be willing to act
not saying holland has to act just that if he thinks more will be availale for less on july 17th then on march 3rd he is wrong
I believe the Khan article was referancing someone like markov. Edler isn't worth his price. We are already struggling to score goals and people have no problem throwing tatar + 1 other ready to go prospect with top 6 potential to get him.
Edler doesn't magically turn our offense on. He isn't that level of a puck moving d. The problem for people I believe is they are too impatient to how long it can take to get a d with a similiar level of offensive acumen like rafalski or lidas was. When holland was interviewed shortly after he retired I laughed at how he said within 3 years we would be fine on defense. The best case scenario atm imho is to be patient and let aa, marchenko, xo, and sproul hit the club when they are ready and push out the undesireables (ala kindl, kfq, maybe lashoff but he is a fine 6-7 def d type).
The only harder to trade for is centers. And the type of players often exposed to trade deals aren't the ones 99% of the time the individuals you break the bank for. We missed out on suter and it is a shame we did but we will be much better off "home growing" our defense over the next 2-3 years via established and proven methods of our organization then making a boneheaded freak out decision for a defender. The only way we get a d thats worth it via trade is if there is a "kyle turris" type that says f--- this I want out type deal happening and the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none.
Edler doesn't magically turn our offense on. He isn't that level of a puck moving d. The problem for people I believe is they are too impatient to how long it can take to get a d with a similiar level of offensive acumen like rafalski or lidas was. When holland was interviewed shortly after he retired I laughed at how he said within 3 years we would be fine on defense. The best case scenario atm imho is to be patient and let aa, marchenko, xo, and sproul hit the club when they are ready and push out the undesireables (ala kindl, kfq, maybe lashoff but he is a fine 6-7 def d type).
The only harder to trade for is centers. And the type of players often exposed to trade deals aren't the ones 99% of the time the individuals you break the bank for. We missed out on suter and it is a shame we did but we will be much better off "home growing" our defense over the next 2-3 years via established and proven methods of our organization then making a boneheaded freak out decision for a defender. The only way we get a d thats worth it via trade is if there is a "kyle turris" type that says f--- this I want out type deal happening and the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none.
I would agree more with you if you were saying that Holland will once again be a dear in the headlights. I don't know if I agree that there is no market in the summertime, especially with the drafts and free agency teams position accordingly. At least that's what I hear, our GM doesn't seem to get that memo, but we will see.
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Why do you "refuse"?
If a trade with Tatar improves the team, why would you be against it?
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We need goal scorers. Tatar is a proven goal scorer that has the possibility of being a 25-30 goal per year guy.
Only if Howard is swinging back the other direction and Miller has expressed an interest in staying in Detroit. Which, to be honest, I'd be fine with. Miller is one of the few guys I feel would be a legitimate upgrade, even if he is a few years older.
But I can't see Holland making that kind of wild deal.
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Yeah, that makes no sense. Unless Jimmy is going the other way and Miller signs an extension for a couple years, and then we promote Mrazek, it makes no sense.
And yeah, it's not happening in any world.
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I can't see it happening either. But I'd endorse it depending on the assets going the other way.
guys may become available in the summer and they may become available in the spring or in the fall, the price dosent become drop that much, you either act or you dont but to think that maybe one day someone might become available for peanuts is wrong
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A 25 goal scorer isn't going to do much when you don't have a good enough defensive core and you are stuck in your end most of the game.
Honestly, do people forget how instrumental Lidstrom was at moving the puck up ice and providing our offense with the ability to start a rush without having to play the 200ft game every shift?
I highly doubt it, but if he comes with a signed contract and they take Howard it wouldn't be the worst thing. Hopefully Drew is talking the Wings up
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That sentence is a contradiction. The second half is the true part. Tatar is not proven.
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Not giving any merit to the rumor, but Howard wouldn't want to go back to New York? Buffalo is pretty close to where he's from, if I'm remembering correctly. Not that home area is the end all, but it's not like it would be shipping Howard off to the Panthers.
And before anybody jumps on me, I like Howard and I'll be totally fine if he is the Wings goalie for the remainder of his contract. There.
I can see that but there isn't a way around a NMC though. The only way that happens is if Buffalo does a sign and trade with Detroit in the off-season when Howard's NMC turns into a NTC. And if they do you're probably looking at a $7-8 million 6-7 year deal for Miller.
I'd rather try to ship Howard out for a #1C if Mrazek were ready, which he isn't. Close. But not ready for starting duties.
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Not sure I agreed with the bolded part. These are uncommonly high prices. Like for example, Steve Ott. The Sabres want a first AND a high end prospect. For Steve frickin' Ott.
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