Possible trade and roster fixes for the Wings, Part III

[silkyjohnson50]

Cracks me up how Boomer breaks some big stories. He was like the first one to break the lockout ending too I believe.

 

[gretskidoo]

After watching Edler in the Olympics, I think we should try to trade for him(obviously not if he's too expensive).

He's a quiet guy, so I figured he would clash with Torts, and looks like that's what's happening.

Take the chance.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Cracks me up how Boomer breaks some big stories. He was like the first one to break the lockout ending too I believe.

Yeah had the MDZ for Klein trade before everyone else for like an entire week. He has a very strong source, I believe his information is good in this scenario.

 

[Henkka]

After watching Edler in the Olympics, I think we should try to trade for him(obviously not if he's too expensive).

Yeah, there's nothing wrong in him. Great puck possession player.

This would be very rare and great chance to acquire a 1st pairing defenceman.

 

[wings95]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong in him. Great puck possession player.

This would be very rare and great chance to acquire a 1st pairing defenceman.

He is more like an awesome number two. Number one is pushing it, IMO.

 

[Henkka]

He is more like an awesome number two. Number one is pushing it, IMO.

I'll take two great number twos (Edler & Kronwall) in today's parity league. And I like Edler's PP quarterback skills more than I like Kronner's...

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

After watching Edler in the Olympics, I think we should try to trade for him(obviously not if he's too expensive).

He's a quiet guy, so I figured he would clash with Torts, and looks like that's what's happening.

Take the chance.

Depends on the price. I'm not willing to give up our first chance at having substantial young depth at forward to land a defenseman we don't really need.

and, no, I don't buy the prospect logjam argument either.

 

[wings95]

I'll take two great number twos (Edler & Kronwall) in today's parity league. And I like Edler's PP quarterback skills more than I like Kronner's...

I agree. Kronner needs a setup guy.

 

[jaster]

hey guys, any chance at all you become sellers in light of all these injuries? Or is that a total no go with the fans? You have a lot of good old UFA type guys to sell, but I don't know if management could justify it. I guess the thing with the east too is if you get into the playoffs even as the #8, you have a shot. It's not like the west.

Oh, it's definitely not a total no-go with the fans. Hell, we have a guy here who wants to trade Datsyuk. But it is a total no-go with the Wings front office. The Wings are simply too close to a playoff spot. That's not to say there won't be a trade that involves shipping out a vet, but Detroit will not be your prototypical "seller" at the deadline.

 

[Winger98]

Yeah had the MDZ for Klein trade before everyone else for like an entire week. He has a very strong source, I believe his information is good in this scenario.

It's been fun watching the thread on the trade board guess at what the trade will be. My guess is Tuomo Ruutu is the other piece involved and has waived his NMC.

Depends on the price. I'm not willing to give up our first chance at having substantial young depth at forward to land a defenseman we don't really need.

and, no, I don't buy the prospect logjam argument either.

I'm not sold on the price being that high. Holland grudgingly included a third piece in the last offer (I think it was supposed to be a pick) and the deal seemed to center around Smith. I doubt the price has gone up since then. Disagree on not needing an upgrade on the blueline, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[jaster]

After watching Edler in the Olympics, I think we should try to trade for him(obviously not if he's too expensive).

He's a quiet guy, so I figured he would clash with Torts, and looks like that's what's happening.

Take the chance.

Yeah, I'm on the Edler bandwagon. It's completely dependent on the price of course, but if there's a buy-low possibility here, with him playing poorly and clashing with the coach, then the Wings should go for it. He's exactly the type of D-man we need, a top-pairing PMD.

And if the trade, as rumored, is to be centered around Smith, I'm fine with that.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Disagree on not needing an upgrade on the blueline, but that's neither here nor there.

I guess I was speaking incompletely. What I meant was that the Wings don't need a left-handed LD. I could budge for a good left-handed RD. I'd move much more for a right-handed RD.

 

[InjuredChoker]

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[Winger98]

I guess I was speaking incompletely. What I meant was that the Wings don't need a left-handed LD. I could budge for a good left-handed RD. I'd move much more for a right-handed RD.

high-end right-handed D seem to be a rarer and rarer commodity. Agree about having a preference for them. Right now, though, I'd be happy with a clear upgrade. Ericsson and Dekeyser at least appear comfortable on the right side, and I like either of them next to Kronwall and Edler for our top4. Then we can move Kindl/Smith/Q/Lashoff in packages for upgrades elsewhere, and work on finding room to move guys like XO, Sproul, Marchenko, and Backman into our lineup.

So, yeah, I'd prefer a guy on the right side, but any high-end (top3) blueliner could do wonders for our blueline.

 

[Frk It]

Depends on the price. I'm not willing to give up our first chance at having substantial young depth at forward to land a defenseman we don't really need.

and, no, I don't buy the prospect logjam argument either.

Edler is a defenseman that we need. We need a top 4 D that can move the puck.

 

[jaster]

high-end right-handed D seem to be a rarer and rarer commodity. Agree about having a preference for them. Right now, though, I'd be happy with a clear upgrade. Ericsson and Dekeyser at least appear comfortable on the right side, and I like either of them next to Kronwall and Edler for our top4. Then we can move Kindl/Smith/Q/Lashoff in packages for upgrades elsewhere, and work on finding room to move guys like XO, Sproul, Marchenko, and Backman into our lineup.

So, yeah, I'd prefer a guy on the right side, but any high-end (top3) blueliner could do wonders for our blueline.

My thoughts exactly. Ericsson is as good on the right side as the left. And while I'm not certain of Dekeyser being the same in that capacity, he has played the right side a bunch already and seems to have been fine. With Edler added to the mix, I'd be pretty happy with our top-4.

 

[Tobi Wan Kenobi]

Yeah, I'm on the Edler bandwagon. It's completely dependent on the price of course, but if there's a buy-low possibility here, with him playing poorly and clashing with the coach, then the Wings should go for it. He's exactly the type of D-man we need, a top-pairing PMD.

And if the trade, as rumored, is to be centered around Smith, I'm fine with that.

There's no "buy-low" possibility. He's been here for years and we all know what he's capable of. Gillis won't trade him unless it's a pretty hefty package. He's had one off year in his career, this season, and there was a coaching change with a whole new style. Not to mention he's had a few injuries to hinder any momentum for him. He's a horse. The Wings would be lucky to have him.

 

[odin1981]

There's no "buy-low" possibility. He's been here for years and we all know what he's capable of. Gillis won't trade him unless it's a pretty hefty package. He's had one off year in his career, this season, and there was a coaching change with a whole new style. Not to mention he's had a few injuries to hinder any momentum for him. He's a horse. The Wings would be lucky to have him.

Not for two future top 6 wingers (jurco and mantha) and a first round pick/Ryan Sproul like all the vancover fans want. No way in hell he gets that much he is good but he ain't no #1 d-man. Not to mention I have yet to see a potential "trade" on the hf trade forum that takes into account our current cap situation.

The most you would get is a first round draft pick, a cap dump say quincey to clean the cap up and then more than likely a b tier forward prospect tops. Or if the wings don't want to give up the pick adam almqvist would be there instead of the pick.

 

[jaster]

There's no "buy-low" possibility. He's been here for years and we all know what he's capable of. Gillis won't trade him unless it's a pretty hefty package.

"Hefty" is a subjective term, it doesn't really add to the discussion. My "buy-low" comment was one of a relative nature. Meaning, if the cost has come down since the Wings last had talks with the Canucks about Edler. And no one can say definitively that the cost hasn't come down, given Edler's past year. Don't be mistaken, I'm not suggesting he could come to Detroit for a bag of pucks and a shooter tutor, but just "at the right price," whatever any of us Wings fans think that may be.

He's had one off year in his career, this season, and there was a coaching change with a whole new style. Not to mention he's had a few injuries to hinder any momentum for him. He's a horse. The Wings would be lucky to have him.

I agree that he's a horse and that we'd be lucky to have him. I've always liked Edler. And I'm aware of the coaching change, system change, and the context around his "off-year." But if the Canucks aren't confident that Edler can be as valuable under Tortorella as he was under Vigneault, then they may be more eager to move him now than they were before this season started. And if they're more eager, they may accept slightly less for him. Maybe not. But this type of thing has happened before, and with better players than Edler, so we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Anchor Town*]

He is more like an awesome number two. Number one is pushing it, IMO.

He didn't call him a #1 defenseman, he called him a 1st pairing (#1 or #2). A #2D is still a top pairing defenseman

HTH

 

[Crymson]

After watching Edler in the Olympics, I think we should try to trade for him(obviously not if he's too expensive).

He's a quiet guy, so I figured he would clash with Torts, and looks like that's what's happening.

Take the chance.

Ah, so his obscenely bad play on defense---even worse than it was under Vigneault---is entirely due to playing in a new system, as is his sudden inability to produce? That's convenient, being that it removes any responsibility from Edler for his own oft-shoddy play. And if Tortorella's domineering style is indeed the primary issue (unlikely), what's to say that he won't clash similarly with Babcock, a coach also known for being hard on his players?

Yeah, there's nothing wrong in him. Great puck possession player.

This would be very rare and great chance to acquire a 1st pairing defenceman.

That is a thoroughly bizarre statement. Based on a few games of Olympic hockey, you've judged that Edler's flaws simply do not exist, nor his play over 41 games this season? Interesting. Yes, when he plays sparingly on the 3rd line of an all-star team on big ice, he looks pretty good. When he's playing on the 1st pairing of an average team on NHL ice, he is atrocious in his own end. The more honest of the Canucks fans on HF will grudgingly admit that he's better suited to the 2nd pairing and best kept away from top opposition.

As for "a very rare and great chance," heh. You're discounting the price.

He is more like an awesome number two. Number one is pushing it, IMO.

More like an awesome number three. Top pairing is pushing it.

Yeah, I'm on the Edler bandwagon. It's completely dependent on the price of course, but if there's a buy-low possibility here, with him playing poorly and clashing with the coach, then the Wings should go for it. He's exactly the type of D-man we need, a top-pairing PMD.

And if the trade, as rumored, is to be centered around Smith, I'm fine with that.

There is no buy-low possibility where Gillis is concerned. When he dangles significant players, he asks for more than anyone is willing to pay. It happened with Luongo last season and with Edler over the summer.

Edler is a defenseman that we need. We need a top 4 D that can move the puck.

Do we also need a top-four D who is horrible in his own end? If Quincey infuriates you with his frequent gaffes on defense, then Edler will send you into conniptions. There's a reason why he's currently a -23.

There's no "buy-low" possibility.

Indeed.

 

[Frk It]

Do we also need a top-four D who is horrible in his own end? If Quincey infuriates you with his frequent gaffes on defense, then Edler will send you into conniptions. There's a reason why he's currently a -23.



Indeed.

His career ppg mirrors Kronwalls, and let's just be honest, Kronwall has a stretch every year where he's brutal defensively.

But would I want another Kronwall if we could get one? Hell yes. That would be huge to have 2 guys that consistently create offense like that. We have 2 guys like that and we have to worry about their play in their own end a lot less, because the pucks gonna be in the offensive zone a whole lot more than it has been.

 

[jaster]

There is no buy-low possibility where Gillis is concerned. When he dangles significant players, he asks for more than anyone is willing to pay. It happened with Luongo last season and with Edler over the summer.

You're saying that there is a 0% chance Edler gets moved. That's an opinion, not a fact. He may indeed not get moved, but until that window closes, it's simply conjecture.

 

[jaster]

The Edler-avoidance by some people here is reminiscent of the Bouwmeester-avoidance last year.

 

[The Zermanator]

His career ppg mirrors Kronwalls, and let's just be honest, Kronwall has a stretch every year where he's brutal defensively.

But would I want another Kronwall if we could get one? Hell yes. That would be huge to have 2 guys that consistently create offense like that. We have 2 guys like that and we have to worry about their play in their own end a lot less, because the pucks gonna be in the offensive zone a whole lot more than it has been.

His PPG may be similar to Kronwall and Kronwall may have had stretches of poor defensive play in the past. However, Edler at his best defensively is not at Kronwall's level defensively. He would not be a 2nd Kronwall.

As for acquiring him, if the price is not too high I'd be okay with it. I think Smith should be sent the other way in that deal. Kronwall, Ericsson and DeKeyser are set as Wings and with Edler would solidify the top 4. There'd be no room for Smith anymore. His development shouldn't be wasted on the bottom pairing and those 2 spots are needed for Marchenko, Almquist, Backman and Ouellet who are all pretty much NHL ready.