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Possible reasons Subban left off Team Canada

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It's pretty simple, Canada wanted defensive first defenseman for the most part, they don't need another offensive guy like Subban. Mark Stone is the bigger snub imo.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
its odd Team Canada

has

4 Rightys playing now ... Doughty, Weber, Burns, Pietrangelo 1 Pietrangelo is playing his offside.

The 4 should all be there... Adding and playing Subban or Letang both righties would make it 5 out 6 in the lineup.
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Exactly. But I would have picked Subbs over Burns personally.
 
Scotty B said:
Take away the top line and the offense isn't so mind blowing. Stamkos looks like something of a liability on the pt on the pp to me...He almost scored last night/ was robbed...Still he doesn't look so great as he did prior to that brutal leg injury...that once deadly one timer of his, again but for one occasion last night, seems mostly to misfire...Toews had a decent game, but had been largely invisible prior to this. Couture doesn't scare anyone offensively. Ditto ROR who got sprung on a breakaway, but couldn't locate the puck. Yes, he scored last game, but if he's gonna play wing, we had better options available than a 37 year old Thornton. Hell even if Thornton plays center we still had better options available. Getzlaf has looked good every game. Tavares had a good game. Duchene had good chemistry with Seguin but he's gone. Jay-Bo got outa position once resulting in a TC penalty, still he's been a good addition overall. But why were the coaches preaching this lefty righty thingy, as if it were gospel, if they're gonna play the right shooting Petro on the left side? As for Muzzin? Clearly, we left better guys at home than him...

Sure they ran up the score on a Czech team which basically quit...But Canada lost its first exhibition game, and only managed one goal vs Russia in over fifty minutes of play. And some people seem to forget how starved TC was for goals in Sochi.

With the talent at our disposal, with that embarassment of riches, methinks there's still room for improvement, insofar as our A Team selection goes...

Especially factoring in the guys we're missing/lost due to injuries...Should TC find itself trailing in the 3rd period again, many will be missing guys like PK and Hall BIG-TIME and rightly so imo
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nobody cares about pre tournament games. As for Sochi the team went with the plan to play Defence. They gave up 3 goals for the entire tournament. They didn't want to play run and gun. It worked like a charm.

As for Suban he gambles to much on the ice.
 
I don't know why people are all grumpy on Vlasic. (or even Bowumeester for that matter. they were in Sochi. they helped win Canada a gold medal, it wasn't like they were complete donkeys over there) - and Canada's defense let in a whopping three goals, period.

as for the political angle, I don't really buy it (any more) I mean, first of all yzerman didn't name St Louis to the team to start off with. Perry did his time (and even captain'ed Canada to a World Championship this year, and is a 2x Olympian) and he was still an injury call up. they get the players they can trust with a blend of old and new players for the experience.

It's not about the best players, its who are the right players to make the best team. just because Subban is one of the "best" doesn't automatically translate into him being "right".

Canada didn't really hurt for him in Sochi, they've won two world championships without Subban, and they are off to a rolling start here.
 
The Nightman said:
Any top defencemen has made blunders like that in the past. Nice try
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A blunder i can live with but a spin o rama deke turnover when trying to go 1 on 1 i can't live with.



Here's another play Subban tries to do it all by himself. I love the way the guy plays it's great entertainment but if your gonna play on Team Canada you don't need plays like this.
 
Babcock preferred having Hamhuis in the lineup in 2014 to having Subban. It can't be that surprising that he doesn't want him this time.
 
He's obviously better than Jay-Bo. Subban can play conservative for a few games if need be, and be a better defensive player than Jay-Bo.
 
pucka lucka said:
Umm this is a tournament for my entertainment as a fan. Do you think this stuff has some bigger meaning? Are peoples lives at stake? THis is an all-star tournament.

Name a team where Bouwmeester is a legit #1?
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The narcissism is touching :laugh:

Outside of the marketing department at NHL HQ (and in my experience, not even them) no one cares about your level of entertainment.

It's also not in any way an "all-star tournament". That's not even a real thing :shakehead It's a cheesy format, maybe, but in no way are all the best players playing each other. The weak teams are not even NHL worthy.
 
pucka lucka said:
I think you have this backwards. I am suggesting they don't do their jobs optimally and that our entertainment should be high on the list of goals. I'm quite sure winning is entertaining. I know better than to attempt a nuanced discussion online. my bad.
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The problem with this goal is that it is much to vague and not at all measurable.
 
It's a LHD-RHD thing.

Brodie and Letang were 2 guys I thought might have added some good mobility to this team.
 
Scotty B said:
Just said we had better options than him...Btw if he's so crucial to TC victory, which isn't in the bag yet by any means ...Why wasn't Big Joe on our Sochi Team?
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Who claimed that he was crucial ro victory? I note Hall wasn't included at Sochi either where his speed would have theoretically been beneficial on the big ice.
 
Weber Doughty Burns all righties and all arguably better than Subban defensively. I'm a huge fan of PK's game but i'm pretty sure that's what it came down to, guys that have shown they can play at an elite level and play in a system.
 
AvroArrow said:
Weber Doughty Burns all righties and all arguably better than Subban defensively. I'm a huge fan of PK's game but i'm pretty sure that's what it came down to, guys that have shown they can play at an elite level and play in a system.
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Burns and Subban are on par with one another defensively. Weber is not better than Subban at this point in his career.
 
Plissken said:
Burns and Subban are on par with one another defensively. Weber is not better than Subban at this point in his career.
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If Burns and Subban are equal defensively and Burns had 75 points vs 51 for Subban (61.5 over 82 games, if you want to look at pace) and 27 goals vs 6 goals last season, why would you take Subban over Burns?

You also have Burns's known chemistry and familiarity with Thornton and Couture (though they didn't know about Couture until after Benn was injured). He plays decently with Vlasic too (though it's not the best pairing).

Weber may not be better at this point but Babcock clearly trusts Weber more than he trusts Subban.
 
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Paul4587 said:
You've just compared three LHS with a RHS. Subban was competing with Weber, Burns, Doughty and Pietrangelo and was rightfully left off. I would have gone with Letang over PK also.

Oh and Vlasic is a better hockey player than Letang. Muzzin and Bouwmeester aren't but they play the left, not the right. The bigger travesty's are Brodie and Giordano being overlooked for Bouwmeester.
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maybe 20 years ago hockey. current hockey a Letang type is way harder to find than a Vlasic.
 
Human said:
maybe 20 years ago hockey. current hockey a Letang type is way harder to find than a Vlasic.
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TC generally focused on d-men who are very good/excellent defensively, can move the puck, and good/very good offensively. Letang and Subban simply fall short on the defensive front in comparison to the players who were selected.
 
Bieber fever said:
Because TC is obsolete but still win due to the unmatched pool of talent.

Giordano-Letang
Brodi-Subban

might be better than the current group .Add one of Doughty or Keith and their is no contest.
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that is a pretty decent top 4 pairing for team canada. defensive defenseman paired with an offensive guy. even with the risk that pk plays with.
 
As much as I like a good conspiracy theory and feigned online outrage, it is pretty clear why Subban wasn't picked. It is a short tournament and Babcock/Team Canada has a clear vision of how the team should play and what type of player they need to implement this vision.

The question should be, why aren't you complaining that Letang isn't on the team? He and Subban are very similar in type but Letang had the better season and was a potential Conn Smythe winner.
 
100Gs said:
It's gotta be the officials of Team Canada being associated with the Canadiens right? And their disdain for PK?

In no universe are Jay Bowmeester, Jake Muzzin and Marc-Edouard Vlasic better ice hockey players than PK Subban.

I hope PK comes back with a vengance against his former team and Hockey in Canada in general.
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Eastern bias (I assume from New York, or at least the East Coast based on avatar).

Vlasic is the best defensive Dman in the game. Credibility lost.
 
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