Speculation: Possible Coaching Change?

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Agree with you for the most part. I think the reasoning is Carberry is really unproven. I don’t know if they believe much would have changed under Carberry. There’s a good chance things maybe get worse with Carberry.

Personally I think the ship kinda sailed on firing keefe two seasons ago. What’s more important is changing the player personnel and forcing Keefe to make those minor adjustments. I don’t think it’s all Keefe’s fault. I think the players make his life difficult, they bitch and complain when he does make changes and then when he walks things back they bitch and complain that he didn’t do enough LOL. The core is a problem.

Keefe was unproven too.

In fact Carbery at least had experience at the NHL level. Keefe didn't even have that. Not to mention they had Smith and Hakstol on board already to replace Babcock, followed by MacFarland and Carbery under Keefe.

Keefe hired without even so much as another candidate interviewed

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

well shanahan tried to re-sign Dubas but said no to Dubas demands so why do you think he would bring someone in who has a complete different idea? I'm not saying this is what I believe should happen but I don't see why you think they brought someone in to change things up. they attempted to re-sign Kyle.

It was blind hope.

Thinking maybe Shanahan wanted to find a GM first. Then let the new GM make the decision on who to replace Keefe with. I didn't possibly think they would fire Dubas and keep Keefe.

Dubas and Keefe were meant for each other.

Like two peas in a pod. One is brain damaged. The other brainwashed.

Between the two of them there isn't a working brain.

 

[AustonMarner]

Keefe probably blamed Dubas when he met with Treliving

 

[nuck]

Agree with you for the most part. I think the reasoning is Carberry is really unproven. I don’t know if they believe much would have changed under Carberry. There’s a good chance things maybe get worse with Carberry.

Personally I think the ship kinda sailed on firing keefe two seasons ago. What’s more important is changing the player personnel and forcing Keefe to make those minor adjustments. I don’t think it’s all Keefe’s fault. I think the players make his life difficult, they bitch and complain when he does make changes and then when he walks things back they bitch and complain that he didn’t do enough LOL. The core is a problem.

But hasn't it been implied the core aren't changing either? We'll see how different things look in a couple of weeks. The same messages keep popping up but nothing real from the club. I am wondering if we are being led in circles by hockey insiders desperate for intention between now and July 1st.

 

[weems]

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But hasn't it been implied the core aren't changing either? We'll see how different things look in a couple of weeks. The same messages keep popping up but nothing real from the club. I am wondering if we are being led in circles by hockey insiders desperate for intention between now and July 1st.

It will be interesting to watch because Friedman said right after the series loss to FLA that he spoke with a player and the player told him the exit meetings were pretty blunt in why it didn't work and to watch for something big to happen in coming weeks. First reaction to that would have been thinking they were complaining about Keefe but now with him coming back there's probably less chance it's that and more towards player criticism.

 

[francis246]

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But hasn't it been implied the core aren't changing either? We'll see how different things look in a couple of weeks. The same messages keep popping up but nothing real from the club. I am wondering if we are being led in circles by hockey insiders desperate for intention between now and July 1st.

I can also pull images off google

It’s always easy to blame the coach. Not a huge fan of Keefe. But let’s look at the common constants throughout the last 7 years of failure. Shanahan, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Rielly. Out of that group someone should be gone if you really. Want change. The players are on their 3rd GM and 2nd coach. A lot of this is on the players and Shanny.

Coaching is the last of our worries.

 

[nuck]

I can also pull images off google

It’s always easy to blame the coach. Not a huge fan of Keefe. But let’s look at the common constants throughout the last 7 years of failure. Shanahan, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Rielly. Out of that group someone should be gone if you really. Want change. The players are on their 3rd GM and 2nd coach. A lot of this is on the players and Shanny.

Coaching is the last of our worries.

Both things should be looked at. Is it more likely that all the top forwards can't bring the same high level to the post season or that the coach is maybe not adapting as well as his opponents are? If the style has to change for post season success, that's the coach who tells the players what they need to do differently. I can believe one or even two of the core have failed to show a playoff gear but not all four. If it was really that bad then they absolutely need to move more than one player out but that seems like a more complicated starting point than with the coach. If the players aren't getting the message, maybe its the coach. If the message SK is giving just isn't working, maybe its the coach.

I am more of the opinion that the big 3 need to be broken up simply for the cap imbalance from forward to D and the cost of extending them. If they can get rid of the weakest link then that's great. Nothing would make me happier than for Keefe to turn this around but it is easier for me to believe the coach is the bigger problem than the entire team. I think the 21-22 Panthers were blamed mostly on the the lineup but their retread coach gave them a monster post season.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

is likely to get a contract extension before the season starts.

I’ll take that bet.

How much you got ?

 

[andora]

Gallant for assistant coach then...motivate away GG.

I was hopong Travis Green would join the coaching staff. The need for a proven strong lead assistant coach is there.

Green has never been an assistant i believe

I could dig gallant assisting

 

[Gaberd2608]

It will be interesting to watch because Friedman said right after the series loss to FLA that he spoke with a player and the player told him the exit meetings were pretty blunt in why it didn't work and to watch for something big to happen in coming weeks. First reaction to that would have been thinking they were complaining about Keefe but now with him coming back there's probably less chance it's that and more towards player criticism.

Keefe seems like a mild manner kind of guy. I find it hard to believe the players dont like him. Dubas also seemed like a players gm. I can see some frustration internally with the players.

Matthews,Marner, and Nylander all come across as snobby and douchey to me. I can see how they could rub some players.

As for the coach, i think the play is to bring in an assistant or two with solid playoff experience to help. Clearly the regular season is no problem.