Post-Game Talk: Poor discipline and poor reffing is a bad combination

[Drivesaitl]

It wasn’t a penalty but he really needs to stop that. It’s some arrogant shit and it cost us the game. He knows the refs are watching him and talks about immaturity after game one. Love the guy. But smarten up….

Absolutely. What Drai did there doesn't meet standard threshold of what is a penalty. It doesn't. But the officials aren't going to allow any of it now due to the established history. Lots of teams would have complained about Drais' after the whistle stuff. Oilers should make reports too about other teams players.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Does anyone know how much the American TV deals and gambling revenues are? I kind of assume it is comparable or potential to be way more--not sure though.

But again it is obviously a strategy considering all the gambling advertising. Or that they at least operate on growth strategies.



whats the conspiracy? its all out in the open?

They just cant outright say that they dont want team A or team B in the playoffs because they are all part of the league.

That’s that conspiracy theorists say.

Absolutely. What Drai did there doesn't meet standard threshold of what is a penalty. It doesn't. But the officials aren't going to allow any of it now due to the established history. Lots of teams would have complained about Drais' after the whistle stuff. Oilers should make reports too about other teams players.

It was one too many. He has gotten away with an absolute ton of unsportsmanlike like shit after goals. Especially against the Kings. Maybe this will get him to finally stop.

Edit: it’s also very likely Drai has been warned to cut that shit off numerous times now.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

That’s that conspiracy theorists say.

IMO it doesnt need to be intentionally stated or an actual intention by the officials or league -- it just needs to be a pattern/result that isnt explicitly addressed.

 

[rec28]

The reffing has been horrible and biased as usual. But the Oilers have to stop giving them "gimmes". Looking at you Drai. Wasn't a crushing tap or anything like that, but absolutely no need to do that. And Nuge is also guilty of taking a couple obvious ones. Again, not excusing the league for this garbage, but unfortunately, this team has to learn to "take it" in order to have a chance in this. That doesn't mean don't fight back with big hits and physical play, just control the emotions at key times and keep position.

The thing that bothers me most about this is, if things go sideways and they exit in the 1st round, the critics will pile on (even more) about McDavid and Drai being “wasted” on the Oilers, who are clearly incapable of surrounding them with a capable, contending team. This is bullshit.

McDavid didn’t really show up for the first 2 games and Drai shot his team in the foot in game 3 with a completely unnecessary and selfish play. The surrounding cast needs to pick it up as well but this is the most talented and capable Oilers team I’ve seen since the 80s and they have it in them to be true contenders. They are beating themselves but if they continue to do so and make an early exit, the narrative of the Oilers somehow “failing” McDavid and Drai will intensify.

Every team has a weakness or two and the Oilers are no exception (goaltending could be better & defence could be deeper), but Holland has done his job and built a very credible contender. It’s in the players’ hands now…

 

[Drivesaitl]

These loses are of our own making. Full stop. Players need to just focus on playing a game and not acting tough and stupid.

Trouble is drai postgame still doesn't get it. he should speak with Nuge who does. You have to rise above it. Drai saying he doesn't know what the threshold is anymore. Its like he doesn't even acknowledge the league is specifically watching his after the whistles stuff now. The threashold for him after the whistle is approaching zero. He seems not to know it.

 

[BlackDogg]

Time to get out the blind ref avatars for the rest of the playoffs

 

[CycloneSweep]

IMO it doesnt need to be intentionally stated or an actual intention by the officials or league -- it just needs to be a pattern/result that isnt explicitly addressed.

If true then how did Colorado beat Nashville?

 

[mkatcherin00]

If Edmonton won two OTs on a pp the main board would just shut this site down. People would be livid hope the boys can shit kick this pathetic trapping team

Keep your sticks to yourself or these giant vags will fall all over the place I am going to slow mo every flop later.

Thats all they can control. Don't touch those giant p***yes

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

If true then how did Colorado beat Nashville?

they are a way better team?

I would have guessed that outcome---and I did guess this reffing fiasco. It happens every year.

 

[Stoneman89]

Trouble is drai postgame still doesn't get it. he should speak with Nuge who does. You have to rise above it. Drai saying he doesn't know what the threshold is anymore. Its like he doesn't even acknowledge the league is specifically watching his after the whistles stuff now. The threashold for him after the whistle is approaching zero. He seems not to know it.

Agreed. He is the one who was preaching "maturity" and "discipline " after the game 1 loss, but he continues to do his own stupid stuff. Accountability starts with him. And you wonder why Kane does some dumb stuff sometimes.....

 

[guymez]

Completely agree, Oilers just have to stay the course, take game 4 and everyone can settle down. They clearly look like the better team, the Kings are getting timely goals and PPs. Meanwhile the Oilers can't beat Korpisalo, but I do think cracks are starting to show.

We'll get them in game 4. Don't forget this team won two must-win games against this team last season, they should still be confident.

I agree but the Kings looked better last night.
I still think the Oilers are the better team but the margin is much closer than I originally thought.
The Kings out chanced the Oilers last night by my eye.
Rewatching the game suggests that the Oilers didnt adjust to what the Kings were doing. Too many times they tried to carry the puck straight through the seaweed that is the Kings defensive system.
Hyman and Kane has been essentially useless top 6 players. Offensively and defensively. At least Yamamoto, who cant score to save his life, is playing a smarter game and doesnt cost his line defensively. Kane and Hyman are liabilities at both ends.
RNH has been a liability as well.
Draisaitl, who has played great in this series, has to find some discipline. If he doesnt know the standard (who does really) then dont give the refs an opportunity to call something stupid.
Skate away.
Skinner played his best game of the series so far. Made no less than 2 game saving saves.
He wasnt the problem.

Last year after 3 games the Oilers had outscored the Kings 17 -6 and had a 2-1 series lead.
This year after 3 games both teams have scored 9 goals.
The Oilers are not generating nearly enough offence to outscore the poor defensive play of Kane, Hyman and RNH and the odd defensive gaff by Nurse, Bouchard and Ceci.

Now the Oilers have to win 3 out of the next 4 games against a very good team to win this series.
The margin of error is very small and that means there is much less room for defensive misreads in the next couple of games.
With there being so many liabilities defensively right now and a lack of offence its a very troubling combination. If the Oilers can seperate from the Kings early then the reffing becomes much less of an issue as well.

There is still a lot of series to be played and the Oilers can absolutely win but they need to dig deep and tighten up their defensive game and play smart until their offence starts to come around or they wont be winning this series.

 

[CycloneSweep]

they are a way better team?

I would have guessed that outcome---and I did guess this reffing fiasco. It happens every year.

Oilers can you know, just not take dumb penalties. That’s in their control, you know that right? They could also try to actually score even strength.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Absolutely. What Drai did there doesn't meet standard threshold of what is a penalty. It doesn't. But the officials aren't going to allow any of it now due to the established history. Lots of teams would have complained about Drais' after the whistle stuff. Oilers should make reports too about other teams players.

Yup.

How do they call a love tap after a pp goal but a king Muhammed Ali punching our guy aftee the whistle is all good

The refs have made me despise this game. I don't trust the integrity of it. It's horrible. Lesson learned. Emotional time investment is going down to 10% now.

I hope to be in post game thread after wins now. Not watching this series at all the rest of the way

 

[BlackDogg]

This series brought to you by:

If you can't beat em', peel em'

 

[bellagiobob]

No, it looks like that's what it does. The 2 of the biggest 3 TV markets in North America are NY and LA. A Kings/Rangers final does more for the league than Edmonton/Toronto could ever hope to, especially in terms of growth and reach.

I agree with what you are saying conceptually, but reality doesn’t back it up. Look at the ratings for the first two Oilers/Kings games in the US. The tiniest blip of interest. Other than diehards, no one in LA cares about hockey. Never have, never will. Same across most of the US. The league has now shifted focus to generate revenue from gambling and cartoonish board advertising. They’ve lost the script completely. The hockey is the secondary product now. It’s simply the vessel used to make the owners wealthy.

 

[mkatcherin00]

I agree but the Kings looked better last night.
I still think the Oilers are the better team but the margin is much closer than I originally thought.
The Kings out chanced the Oilers last night by my eye.
Rewatching the game suggests that the Oilers didnt adjust to what the Kings were doing. Too many times they tried to carry the puck straight through the seaweed that is the Kings defensive system.
Hyman and Kane has been essentially useless top 6 players. Offensively and defensively. At least Yamamoto cant score to save his life but he plays a smarter game and doesnt cost his line defensively. Kane and Hyman are liabilities.
RNH has been a liability as well.
Draisaitl, who has played great in this series, has to find some discipline. If he doesnt know the standard (who does reslly) then dont give the refs an opportunity to call something stupid.
Skate away.
Skinner played his best game of the series so far. Made no less than 2 game saving saves.
He wasnt the problem.

Last year after 3 games the Oilers had outscored the Kings 17 -6 and had a 2-1 series lead.
This year after 3 games the both have scored 9 goals.
The Oilers are not generating nearly enough offence to outscore the poor defensive play of Kane, Hyman and RNH and the odd defensive gaff by Nurse, Bouchard and Ceci.

Now the Oilers have to win 3 out of the next 4 games against a very good team to win this series.
The margin of error is very small and that means there is much less room for defensive misreads in the next couple of games.
With there being so many liabilities defensively right now and a lack of offence its a very troubling combination. If the Oilers can seperate from the Kings early then the reffing becomes much less of an issue as well.

There is still a lot of series to be played and the Oilers can absolutely win but they need to dig deep and tighten up their defensive game until their offence starts to come around or they wont be winning this series.

King's did not outchance Edmonton. They were good in the first. Oilers had so many looks from the slot and shot it chest every time or missed the net

THey should scored in those last six min

Unfortunately, guys like yammo and nuge mainly are ghosts against rubgy trap clutch and grab teams like LA

 

[CycloneSweep]

Yup.

How do they call a love tap after a pp goal but a king Muhammed Ali punching our guy aftee the whistle is all good

The refs have made me despise this game. I don't trust the integrity of it. It's horrible. Lesson learned. Emotional time investment is going down to 10% now.

I hope to be in post game thread after wins now. Not watching this series at all the rest of the way

Context matters post whistle scrums aye part of the game and mostly let go. Shit after goals is always more scrutinized. Throwing a cocky slash at a guy skating to the bench as you go to celebrate is not part of the game in the slightest

 

[mkatcherin00]

I agree with what you are saying conceptually, but reality doesn’t back it up. Look at the ratings for the first two Oilers/Kings games in the US. The tiniest blip of interest. Other than diehards, no one in LA cares about hockey. Never have, never will. Same across most of the US. The league has now shifted focus to generate regime from gambling and cartoonish board advertising. They’ve lost the script completely. The hockey is the secondary product now. It’s simply the vessel used to make the owners wealthy.

Yeah nobody cares. I just went there for a week a month ago.

All they care about is lafake James and basketball.

 

[CycloneSweep]

King's did not outchance Edmonton. They were good in the first. Oilers had so many looks from the slot and shot it chest every time or missed the net

THey should scored in those last six min

Unfortunately, guys like yammo and nuge mainly are ghosts against rubgy trap clutch and grab teams like LA

Even strength wr had one less chance than LA

 

[3IR]

Really thought I was over this and ready for next game, but someone just told me the difference is the kings are “scoring on the PP when it matters”.

The kings have scored on 4 PPs, 3 of them at a time that was considered a game changer (2 in OT, 1 with under 2 mins in the game and down by one), and one that could be argued was a game changer (taking away the momentum with a weak unsportsmanlike on Drai).

Meanwhile the Oilers PP opportunities have been:

- 2 calls 10 ish minutes into the first period of game 1

- 1 call with 30 seconds left in period 2 of game 1.

- 1 call around 10 mins into the first period of game 2

- all 3 game 3 calls being in the first 5-10 minutes of each period.

We haven’t had a single PP at a time that could have decided the game like the kings have. Meanwhile both kings OT PP goals were preceded by a blatant missed call against the kings (Foegele getting elbowed in the face in game 1, and Mcdavid getting pinned to the ice in game 3).

 

[Sra1974]

Trouble is drai postgame still doesn't get it. he should speak with Nuge who does. You have to rise above it. Drai saying he doesn't know what the threshold is anymore. Its like he doesn't even acknowledge the league is specifically watching his after the whistles stuff now. The threashold for him after the whistle is approaching zero. He seems not to know it.

During the regular season if you do that we might say that was kind of dumb, but liked the fact he was sending a message to Doughty after the hit. During the playoffs when you just took the lead and have the momentum it’s selfish and back breaking and hurts your team. You only get so many chances and we are running out of years with these guys and unless they smarten up and play better that poor decision will contribute( but not totally cause) a needless first round exit.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Oilers can you know, just not take dumb penalties. That’s in their control, you know that right? They could also try to actually score even strength.

I guess the issue is I dont believe they can not take dumb penalties given the calls.

 

[Oilers333]

If the NHL was rigging the playoffs for financial reasons, we'd see an Edmonton Toronto Stanley Cup final.

They'd make more money than they could dream of. Yet the fix job is in to eliminate Edmonton and Toronto from the post season for Tampa Bay and Los Angeles?

GIve me a break . It's such an embarrassing theory.

You cant actually believe that Canadian teams doing well and making it far with our sad asss dollar value and miniscule population compared to the US would garner more money than big market American teams. You clearly dont really understand economics. There is a reason Bettman is so adamant at trying to make the NHL work in these American markets

 

[McJadeddog]

I’m personally done with the nhl for all non oilers games and have been for a long long time in fact. The league is a joke and I’m not giving them my money, and haven’t got a long time. I go to a few oilers games a year and that is it. I don’t watch other games, I don’t pay for nhl merch, I don’t go to games in other cities, nothing. And I’m a huge hockey fan and come from a huge hockey family. This will continue until the league stops being a bush league of course, but I’ve been waiting for that my entire life and it hasn’t happened yet, so not holding my breath.

 

[guymez]

King's did not outchance Edmonton. They were good in the first. Oilers had so many looks from the slot and shot it chest every time or missed the net

THey should scored in those last six min

Unfortunately, guys like yammo and nuge mainly are ghosts against rubgy trap clutch and grab teams like LA

I would love to see the advanced stats but by my eye the Kings had more 10 bell chances than the Oilers did. It was quite obvious on the second viewing.