Post-Game Talk: Poop

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The alternative to it being a coaching issue is that it's a talent issue (which it also is, to a degree, but we should be better than this with the talent we have).

If our talent is only this good and it's not a coaching issue, then we have real problems, cause coaching can't fix a talent issue this bad.

Therefore I really hope it's a coaching issue.
It is 100% not a talent issue IMO.

We are stacked with talent at forward IMO. We typically correlate skill by production. I do not think production issue is skill.. but coaching/execution/system. I guess that's where a lot of people differ.

Simple example, Go look at other teams PP2. It's bottom6 players/depth. Ours is filled with top draft picks.

If there one are for concern, it's PMD. That's why I've been an advocate for Chychrun.
 
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They look tired as in not competing hard for loose pucks imo, peeling off and making a lot of mental mistakes.

The only players I've seen engaged are Kakko, Panarin and Tro. A lot of coasting puck watching everywhere else.
I think there are some guys on this team who love to coast, looking at cris kreider in particular but I don't think I agree about last night.
 
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First time I saw the Rangers lose in that building. Both games i went to last year they won. There's nothing worse then walking out of there after a loss to those cheap car horns. Beep, Beep, Beep, Beep, Beeb.

I think the Isles are a team you have to score first on. The outcome could have been much different. The Gauthier play early on. Another thing of beauty, but you know that puck isn't going in. It's Gauthier...That puck just never goes in for him.

The Kakko play i thought for sure was a goal but...That one didn't beat the goalie either.

Once the Isles have that lead the Defense gets stingy. That team is still working out its identity, but I think they will figure it out.

Rangers outshot them last night. They just couldn't find the back of the net. I feel like this teams need to go on a road trip.
Seriously, about Gauthier.

I swear, he is the human personification of that annoying kid you used to play in NHL '96 on Sega who thought the best way to score was just to stickhandle and crash into the goalie without ever pressing shoot, and hope he'd score.

Seems like he never takes a shot from more than 10 feet out no matter how good the look is...just stickhandle to the crease and try to stuff it in. It's brutal to watch, especially since he actually DOES get scoring chances...
 
I think there are some guys on this team who love to coast, looking at cris kreider in particular but I don't think I agree about last night.
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I think the problem lies in the fact that they don't score a lot of "dirty" goals. They don't shoot the puck and crash the net -- they insist on using the tic-tac-toe/back door play in order to score.
For sure !!! Yes....it is that simple , There will be two spots on this team soon enough season 23-24 for Cuylee and Othmann . Until then we just have to put up with the softness and lack of effort in some games . It is a process for sure .
 
Phone battery at 24%. It was 25% when I started typing this post.

It's a sign.
 
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I don't know if I'd go that far, I guess technically it's true but I'm with you on the contract and I made no bones about that last offseason and which direction I would have gone. He's obviously one of the better shooters in the league especially on the PP and has his strengths but he's not the ideal #1 center for a team that's a cup contender by any means in my eyes.

He's a #1 center but he's not Stamkos or MacKinnon or Crosby.

Unfortunately those are the ones who win damn near all the Cups.
 
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Hey you know what, that’s fair. But my main point has always been the team that wins is the team that deserved to win. I remember reading a comment from a Pens beatwriter after last years series saying the Penguins deserved to win. They didnt because they lost.

However, I don’t think its wrong or disingenuous to point out a team didn’t play well even if they won, for example, the Anaheim game. You could see the issues there even though it was essentially a decisive victory
I hear you. That’s basically why I don’t say they DESERVED to win or SHOULD have been the winner, but will say they COULD have won by virtue of their play or that I thought they played a better game than the opponent. The bottom line is that the bottom line is the bottom line. Hahaha.
 
I think the problem lies in the fact that they don't score a lot of "dirty" goals. They don't shoot the puck and crash the net -- they insist on using the tic-tac-toe/back door play in order to score.
There were a few of these in the first couple games. Kakko and Chytil each scored a net-front goal at 5v5. Then it just disappeared.

They have to be more willing to make simple plays and go to the dirty areas. They're overthinking the game a bit, especially on the PP right now.
 
People don't want to hear it but Zibanejad is far closer to the end of his usefulness than the beginning. That 8 year deal is gonna be ugly at some point.
Hard disagree. He's going to go on another 30 game offensive outburst and be our best player like he does every single time someone doubts him in the beginning of the season. Zib hasn't played his best hockey this week, but the first week of the season he was dominant. He'll bounce back.

If anyone has earned the right to one or two stinkers, it's Zibanejad.
 
Every single thing you saw last season was because of Igor. Gallant did absolutely nothing. He has no system. He has no strategy. He calls for zero accountability. Where are the major steps for Laf and Kakko? Who are we giving him credit for, Zib Panarin Fox and Kreider then? They were already those players.

This team has lost 4 in a row badly. Not sure they are being talked about as a cup contender at all right now. And there definitely isn't any of this "belief" in themselves that you're talking about right now either.
You are giving way too much credit to a coaches ability to develop players. Organizations can do that. A coach may tweak lines or a fore-check system to fit his personnel. FWIW, systems are only as good as the players executing it. You were probably the guy saying that Quinn had no system either.
This is 100% on the players. The team has made a bunch of dumb plays, ie Igor vs Avs, or just stinking up the ice, ie Halak. What is GG supposed to do about that?
Bottom line is that the team will be better for going through this stretch. The over reactions are ludicrous.

Bro Zegras had more points in 75 games last season than Kakko has in his entire 165 game career combined.
I just think Kak is just scratching the surface. Zegras is solely offensive.
BTW, Kravy stinks.
 
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You are giving way too much credit to a coaches ability to develop players. Organizations can do that. A coach may tweak lines or a fore-check system to fit his personnel. FWIW, systems are only as good as the players executing it. You were probably the guy saying that Quinn had no system either.
This is 100% on the players. The team has made a bunch of dumb plays, ie Igor vs Avs, or just stinking up the ice, ie Halak. What is GG supposed to do about that?
Bottom line is that the team will be better for going through this stretch. The over reactions are ludicrous.


I just think Kak is just scratching the surface. Zegras is solely offensive.
BTW, Kravy stinks.
Better than Kakko
 
I think Kak will end up being the better player. Zegras has some nice hands though.
Still not sold on what Laffy will become.

I think there is a big difference, Zegras is a dynamic player, doing tons of good offensive stuff. And it's not just like once a game or anything, it's pretty much every shift.

Kakko might have one or two shifts the entire game where he looks like he might do something beyond win board battles.

Laff, I really have no idea, he can score goals, albeit does not look like he gets in position very often, I've seen him make some nice passes, yet it's not even close to every shift, or even every game.

My guess, the Rangers took two players who might have turned out to be top liners and they tried to drill defensive responsibility into them to the point they are too scared, or not even in position, to even attempt the higher risk plays. They've buried the offensive instinct parts of their game. Some of that comes from lack of PP time too.

Rangers want to compete right now, they kept some vets, Fox, Shesty came about quickly, so it's partially understandable, yet in my view they should have put the bigger, longer term picture ahead of the short term.

They made a roster where if any two (or more) of Zbad, Panarin, Kreider, Fox, Shesty, play less than ideal for a stretch, they are not going to win very often during that time period, and three of those players are probably exiting their primes in the not too distant future.
 
You are giving way too much credit to a coaches ability to develop players. Organizations can do that. A coach may tweak lines or a fore-check system to fit his personnel. FWIW, systems are only as good as the players executing it. You were probably the guy saying that Quinn had no system either.
This is 100% on the players. The team has made a bunch of dumb plays, ie Igor vs Avs, or just stinking up the ice, ie Halak. What is GG supposed to do about that?
Bottom line is that the team will be better for going through this stretch. The over reactions are ludicrous.


I just think Kak is just scratching the surface. Zegras is solely offensive.
BTW, Kravy stinks.
"Organizations can do that"

How exactly do "Organizations" do that if not through....coaching players? Who would be coached by...coaches?
 
"Organizations can do that"

How exactly do "Organizations" do that if not through....coaching players? Who would be coached by...coaches?
AHL, strength and conditioning etc...
It can't be laid at GG feet. These are professional athletes. They can be told what parts of their game need work, but its up to them to commit to improving. If anything, its more on the GM than head coach.
I feel like there are a lot of guys here that we see coaching youth hockey. They suffocate the kids with trash ideas about how to play the game and think its how a professional coach should handle their team.
 
You are giving way too much credit to a coaches ability to develop players. Organizations can do that. A coach may tweak lines or a fore-check system to fit his personnel. FWIW, systems are only as good as the players executing it. You were probably the guy saying that Quinn had no system either.
This is 100% on the players. The team has made a bunch of dumb plays, ie Igor vs Avs, or just stinking up the ice, ie Halak. What is GG supposed to do about that?
Bottom line is that the team will be better for going through this stretch. The over reactions are ludicrous.


I just think Kak is just scratching the surface. Zegras is solely offensive.
BTW, Kravy stinks.
I agree. The team got a bit cocky after the Tampa game, they were all smiles and grins during the practices and thought the minnow teams (like SJ and CBJ) would roll over and let the Rangers tickle their tummy.
 
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