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Proposal: Poll: Will Smith or trade 5th overall for Clayton Keller?

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Will Smith or trade 5th overall for Clayton Keller?

  • Will Smith

    Votes: 178 66.4%

  • Clayton Keller

    Votes: 90 33.6%
  • Total voters
    268
  • Poll closed .
Guy Larose said:
HF and their magic beans. Eventually it'll become a beanstalk lol...the PPG 24 year old easily.
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Trading potential is always a slippery slope.

On the one hand, Bergevin's hard line after the world juniors of: I'm not trading any of Poehling, Romanov, Primeau, and Harris was too rigid.

On the other hand, many were ready to trade "too small" Caufield in big packages for players like Laine. I'd take Cole alone and his great attitude over Laine right now. Sometimes gotta hold onto to the kids. Also, remember when Norman Flynn wanted to trade Suzuki for Wayne Simmons. Good times.
 
Nico Cauzuki said:
its not the same and its not even close how the hell are you gonna compare Keller whos 24 not 26 to Ovechkin whos 37.....

Keller is a couple months older then Suzuki he fits our core perfectly
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Yes he do fit our core and yes i used an extreme argument with slaf vs ovi to illustrate my point.

Its true that there is not a lot of chance that the player we pick at 5 will be as good as Keller. But its a shortsighted argument. We may end up extracting a lot more value out of him even if he don't peak as high as Keller in his prime. That was my point.
 
26Mats said:
Cooley and Keller are both listed at 5'10.
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yeah that's why i'm not sure I'd trade Smith for either. Cole and Nick are small, Slaf can't keep his head up, they need to build a balanced core for the future. Bedard isn't big either so talent trumps size at the end of the day, its just how much small talent do you need I suppose
 
Draft Smith, sign Dubois and trade crap for Keller. EA Sports.

But seriously, if Keller wants out of Arz, I’d be interested but not by including the pick #5 this year.
 
Skip Bayless said:
Fair, but you're now on the clock to contend as soon as possible, because when his contract is up, he has 0 allegiance to the habs and can bolt to another team that will give him 11M + and that is ready to contend.

We have no goalie and our D is still a question mark. If you get Keller, then you most likely need to get the rest of the pieces asap, which means UFAs and more trades.

I'm all for accelerating, but right now is not the right timing IMO.
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We can accelerate because Keller is a true #1 center on a sweetheart contract for the next 5 years. What happens if whoever we draft at 5 doesn't pan out? Or is a middle 6 player? Suddenly we need to entertain trading Suzuki, Caufield, and most of the core because their contracts will be ending soon.

Honestly I don't think Arizona would ever do this move, it would be beyond stupid for them. But if they did, you have to go for it. How many times have the Habs had the opportunity to get a center capable for near 40 goals and 90 points? Say, in the last 25-30 years? We've literally been chasing that for decades.
 
NORiculous said:
Draft Smith, sign Dubois and trade crap for Keller. EA Sports.

But seriously, if Keller wants out of Arz, I’d be interested but not by including the pick #5 this year.
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sampollock said:
YUP... Keller can come over, but not fo #5
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and what exactly are you guys hoping to get Keller for ? we're not getting Clayton for a bunch of B prospects hes a better player then Suzuki and Caufield so think about the return u would want for our 2 players and then add theres no way u get a chance at him unless u start with one of Suzuki,Caufield,Dach,Slafkovsky or #5

Jaynki said:
Yes he do fit our core and yes i used an extreme argument with slaf vs ovi to illustrate my point.

Its true that there is not a lot of chance that the player we pick at 5 will be as good as Keller. But its a shortsighted argument. We may end up extracting a lot more value out of him even if he don't peak as high as Keller in his prime. That was my point.
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chances our player at 5 is better then Keller is very small ( unless we pick Michkov ) and hes under contract for another 5 years @ 7.15 thats an amazing contract so no i doubt will get better value with our pick
 
Before I do either of these things, I try to swap picks with SJ to draft Michkov.

If the price doesn't work or they're just not interested, I take whichever of Smith, Reinbacher, Dvorsky or Leonard.

Keller is a fine player but doesn't fit the needs of the team well enough to justify giving up 5thOA in this draft.

The only reason acquiring Dubois this summer works in my opinion is that he fits the mold and theres a chance you don't have to pay full price for him.
 
waffledave said:
Or, Keller puts up multiple seasons of ~40 goals and ~90 points and Smith never comes close to that. He's a great prospect and my pick at 5 but he's not a sure thing.
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Keller puting multiple 40 goals and/or 90 points seasons is far from a sure thing too. He should start with one ... Keller would not be the first nor the last guy to turn up a career year in the middle of his 20ies and never redo it again. Keller could very well revert to being a 60-70 points player.

I think some guys overrate Keller a bit here. He's no Jack Hughes. I think there's a more than extremely fair chance that either Dach or Smith becomes as good. Imo we should keep that pick.

Adding another contract that will end right about the same time as Suuzki and Caufield is not a good idea. Keller's contract ends in 2028, Suzuki in 2030 and Caufield in 2031. That would be 3 huges contract to renegociate in 4 years right in the middle of a potential cup window. That would be imo a stupid thing to do.

Pick a player with this pick. There 5 players available this year who all have a very good chance to become 60+ players. Pick this kid. Keep him in junior for a year or two. Then cost controlled for 3 years of ELC. Then first contract 5 years from now with the negociating power beign more evenly destributed. Don't try to spend up things like Toronto did.
 
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This should be the mantra for EVERY draft.
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How about Slaf+ for Keller? I'd be down with trading #5 for hin but would prefer to send the big guy away if there is interest. Slaf will never be as good as Keller and his bust potential/3rd liner ala Armia is quite high.

Skip Bayless said:
Yeah but then you lost your 5th OV for that.

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But we have a 24yo PPG star ? Braindead comment lol crawl back to your hole.
 
Destopcorner said:
How about Slaf+ for Keller? I'd be down with trading #5 for a PPG star but would prefer to send the big guy away if there is interest. Slaf will never be as good as Keller and his bust potential/3rd liner ala Armia is quite high.
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The only way I trade 5 OV is if I know Sorokin walks into UFA and I'm ready to throw the bank at him. It gives me 1-2 years to find a legit D partner for Guhle, which would come at the cost of prospects or another UFA contract.

That would be a plan, but I'm not sure Hughes wants to go balls out like that at this point. I'm not sure it's the wise thing to do at this point.
 
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