Poll: Will David Savard fetch a first at the TDL, especially if we retain 50%?

[26Mats]

Savard is steady eddy on defense. Team gets him for two playoff runs. Cap going up next year, 3.5 million a bargain on him. He'll return a first but I would move Matheson instead. Habs are deeper on left side and Matheson will return more.

I'm affraid we'll be close enough to a playoff spot at TDL that Hughes doesn't sell...

 

[HuGort]

I'm affraid we'll be close enough to a playoff spot at TDL that Hughes doesn't sell...

Doubtful but possible. Slaf is playing better and defense is maturing. Both has buoyed us in standings. But we have trouble scoring goals.

Carolina is struggling hard, only 3 points ahead of us in standings. We could hang around .500 long enough we can't sell at deadline.

Next season with Dach back we are a goal scorer away from busting out. At some point we have to trade a defenseman though.

 

[Bacchus1]

?

Of course it's better.

Way to make agreeing sound disagreeable! LOL Why do you say, "of course"? Do you think everyone would agree with you?

 

[Scriptor]

Doubtful but possible. Slaf is playing better and defense is maturing. Both has buoyed is in standings. But we have trouble scoring goals.

Carolina is struggling hard, only 3 points ahead of us in standings. We could hang around .500 long enough we can't sell at deadline.

Next season with Dach back we are a goal scorer away from busting out. At some point we have to trade a defenseman though.

This road trip is crucial for what happens at the deadline but, if Savard is not worth a first round picker even a second round pick,Hughes wonKt trade him until he becomes a rental next season at that trade deadline.

More valuable than a 3rd round draft pick as a veteran mentor on a very young D-squad.

I still think Hughes moves Monahan, though, if he can land a first round pick and a good prospect for him.

Silly not to get a complete haul of two first round picks and a good prospect fort taking on Cap space in the first instance.

Irony could have has drafting Iginla's son ahead of CAL with the second first round pick acquired for Monahan!

 

[abo9]

If we retain 50% for this year and next and a cup contending team who need a bottom 3 d is not interested in paying a 1st for him then NHL GMS are dumb.

He is a good guy to have and would have helped our defense a lot when we had Petry, Subban and Markov. I was not a fan when we signed him cause we needed to replace Markov but a team with a strong top 3 who need experience and leadership to complete their defense would be stupid to not be interested at 1.75 for this year and next year. Totally 100% stupid.

Markov left in 16-17 and Savard signed in 21 - are you confusing him with Alzner?

I doubt he fetches a first, but we've seen crazier things at the TDL, especially for vet D with experience. Maybe we can get TB to pay the high price for Savard all over again.

But like, he was 6th D on Tampa's defense... is a legit contender gonna cough up a 1st for a 6th D? A pretender mighr play him higher, but their 1st would likely be more valuable

 

[JianYang]

Yeah, but he is now at 33 years old.. i wouldnt give a first for him if I was a contender

Depends on how many dmen are available at the deadline and how desperate the buyer is.

Generally, I'd say he would fetch a 2nd at best but the market is weird sometimes.

 

[Stoneburg]

He is a good depth defenceman. The advanced stats crowd tells me his aren't good. Dunno.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

He's probably worth a 3rd

 

[holy]

The reason Chiarot fetched so much was because he showed how integral he was to our Cup run. Savard doesn't have those same looks going his way. No one looks at Tampa winning and thinks "Yeah Savard!" that team was stacked to the tits in talent.

 

[LaP]

Markov left in 16-17 and Savard signed in 21 - are you confusing him with Alzner?

I doubt he fetches a first, but we've seen crazier things at the TDL, especially for vet D with experience. Maybe we can get TB to pay the high price for Savard all over again.

But like, he was 6th D on Tampa's defense... is a legit contender gonna cough up a 1st for a 6th D? A pretender mighr play him higher, but their 1st would likely be more valuable

We still needed to replace Markov in 21 since he had not been replaced yet. Of course since Price and Weber LTIRetired the next season it did not matter but we did not know that when Savard signed. When Savard signed the right side of the defense was still Weber, Petry and the left side did not have a guy able to be a first pairing guy.

What we needed is find a guy able to do this job and Savard was not what we needed since he is a 2nd pairing guy at best (and is right handed). He's a good and valuable dman imo just not what we needed at the time which was a first pairing left handed dman. Now obviously MB probably knew Weber had LTIRetired and probably signed Savard to replace Weber which made this signature even worse imo.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

We still needed to replace Markov in 21 since he had not been replaced yet. Of course since Price and Weber LTIRetired the next season it did not matter but we did not know that when Savard signed. When Savard signed the right side of the defense was still Weber, Petry and the left side did not have a guy able to be a first pairing guy.

What we needed is find a guy able to do this job and Savard was not what we needed since he is a 2nd pairing guy at best (and is right handed). He's a good and valuable dman imo just not what we needed at the time which was a first pairing left handed dman. Now obviously MB probably knew Weber had LTIRetired and probably signed Savard to replace Weber which made this signature even worse imo.

Edmunston and Chiarot were always injured at the time and most of us, the gm included wanted to trade them. The rebuilt mode was unofficially engaged. Savard was signed as a safe D man to be a mentor and securise that broken apart D. Being a 6 D wasn't so important at that time, this is what happen when all the players are at the wrong chair.

 

[malcb33]

I'm affraid we'll be close enough to a playoff spot at TDL that Hughes doesn't sell...

That would be a giant fail for Hughes and would definitely have me losing faith in his plan, as essentially that would be the first "hard" decision he would have to make, and it would be a failure.

Our chances of actually making the playoffs, especially after teams load up, are slim. Then our chances of doing something in the playoffs are even more remote. While I realize this could and would be sold as an "experience" for the young players, it's short-sighted and a money grab, that moves us further away from the long-term plan/ goal.

Please stick to the plan, and keep building and growing this team to a consistent contender, not a mediocre bubble team that relies on luck, which we've experienced for the last decade.

 

[26Mats]

That would be a giant fail for Hughes and would definitely have me losing faith in his plan, as essentially that would be the first "hard" decision he would have to make, and it would be a failure.

Our chances of actually making the playoffs, especially after teams load up, are slim. Then our chances of doing something in the playoffs are even more remote. While I realize this could and would be sold as an "experience" for the young players, it's short-sighted and a money grab, that moves us further away from the long-term plan/ goal.

Please stick to the plan, and keep building and growing this team to a consistent contender, not a mediocre bubble team that relies on luck, which we've experienced for the last decade.

I don't think it would be so much of a money grab as a "culture building." And part of culture building, the argument would go, is not cutting a team's legs out from under them when their in the middle of a playoff push, bu trading key contributors like Savard and Monahan.

But anyways, there's a lot of hockey to be played and chances are we won't be in the playoff race...

 

[ClasslessGuy]

2-3 rd I'd say 3rd + project player/ ahl

 

[abo9]

We still needed to replace Markov in 21 since he had not been replaced yet. Of course since Price and Weber LTIRetired the next season it did not matter but we did not know that when Savard signed. When Savard signed the right side of the defense was still Weber, Petry and the left side did not have a guy able to be a first pairing guy.

What we needed is find a guy able to do this job and Savard was not what we needed since he is a 2nd pairing guy at best (and is right handed). He's a good and valuable dman imo just not what we needed at the time which was a first pairing left handed dman. Now obviously MB probably knew Weber had LTIRetired and probably signed Savard to replace Weber which made this signature even worse imo.

Ahhh gotcha. You do you but imo Savard was clearly just a depth signing so we had a decent NHL body in the lineup while rebuilding. Plus a good vet to have around young defensemen and a local - which cant hurt.

Nothing to do with Weber/Markov. And at 3.5M clearly a 5th-6th D expectations, not blocking us from signing big contract had we needed to.

Idk, I think we sold Chiarot/Edmunson at the perfect time. For Savard, I'm really curious. He's obviously in that mould that GMs love for the playoffs, but he wasnt utilized much in the Tampa run and is now on a dumpster of a team. I keep thinkingnits gonna be around a 2nd pick, but GMs surprised me more than once with these types of defensemen

 

[Le Tricolore]

Unless a team is overpaying (for example, giving a 1st or similar young player), the Habs have no reason to trade Savard this year. He's a great player to have around the team, he's on a very fair, if not bargain of a contract, he has another year left on his contract, and he's a local guy.

I wouldn't be upset to move him for a piece that helps the team, obviously, but I also see him as an important piece in helping the kids develop into what we hope they can be and wouldn't be in a rush to move him for the sake of moving him.

 

[malcb33]

I don't think it would be so much of a money grab as a "culture building." And part of culture building, the argument would go, is not cutting a team's legs out from under them when their in the middle of a playoff push, bu trading key contributors like Savard and Monahan.

But anyways, there's a lot of hockey to be played and chances are we won't be in the playoff race...

I agree, and I don't doubt it would be sold as culture-building. I think we all know that the current roster and prospect pool, even the best "culture" is not enough to get us to a 25th cup.

IMO they need at least another 1 or 2 high-end offensive talents (and a few key prospects to hit) to be a consistent contender with a good chance of winning a cup. The best way to do this and keep the core around is through the draft and high picks are generally going to give you the best opportunity.

 

[lamp9post]

I don't understand the negativity some in this fan base have towards some of our recent D signings.

Chiarot: Outplays his $3.5M contract, key performer during our cup run, later traded as to acquire a 1st & 4th round picks.

Hab fans: Awful signing!

Edmundson: Rights acquired for a 5th round pick, signed to a fair $3.5M contract, becomes an ideal partner for Petry during our cup run, later traded for a 3rd + 7th round picks.

Hab fans: Brutal signing!

Savard: Signed to a fair $3.5M contract, becomes a reliable vet presence on a rebuilding team with a very young d-core after the departure of Weber, likely to be traded for value this deadline or the next.

Hab fans: Terrible signing!

I don't understand the criticism. All were (are) fairly paid for what they brought, all positively contributed to the team in their own ways during their time here, and all were traded for more value than it cost to acquire them when they left.

 

[Habs10025]

Will David Savard fetch a first at the TDL, especially if we retain 50%?

I think it depends on if he can keep his impressive two way play up and if he starts to build a name around the league for doing so. That clip of him blocking a few shots in a row, and continuing even after he broke his hand, I think helped.

We'll see how the market is as we approach the TDL...

Montreal can only retain salary on one more player this season doubtful he retains salary on Savard with 1 year still remaining on his deal + Savard can still play and is a help to the younger defenceman on the team

 

[Vachon23]

I don't understand the negativity some in this fan base have towards some of our recent D signings.

Chiarot: Outplays his $3.5M contract, key performer during our cup run, later traded as to acquire a 1st & 4th round picks.

Hab fans: Awful signing!

Edmundson: Rights acquired for a 5th round pick, signed to a fair $3.5M contract, becomes an ideal partner for Petry during our cup run, later traded for a 3rd + 7th round picks.

Hab fans: Brutal signing!

Savard: Signed to a fair $3.5M contract, becomes a reliable vet presence on a rebuilding team with a very young d-core after the departure of Weber, likely to be traded for value this deadline or the next.

Hab fans: Terrible signing!

I don't understand the criticism. All were (are) fairly paid for what they brought, all positively contributed to the team in their own ways during their time here, and all were traded for more value than it cost to acquire them when they left.

Because a lot don’t understand how important those type of DMen are. They prefer skills dmen who don’t touch anyone in the Dzone

 

[Scriptor]

That would be a giant fail for Hughes and would definitely have me losing faith in his plan, as essentially that would be the first "hard" decision he would have to make, and it would be a failure.

Our chances of actually making the playoffs, especially after teams load up, are slim. Then our chances of doing something in the playoffs are even more remote. While I realize this could and would be sold as an "experience" for the young players, it's short-sighted and a money grab, that moves us further away from the long-term plan/ goal.

Please stick to the plan, and keep building and growing this team to a consistent contender, not a mediocre bubble team that relies on luck, which we've experienced for the last decade.

I definitely wouldn't be a buyer, but I wouldn't necessarily sabotage a roster that was in haunt for playoff spot. Battling for something concrete is an important part of the development a team must go through.

I'd definitely go ahead and try to flip Monahan (shorter term asset) for a blue chip prospect (longer term asset),rather than just picks, however. Remove a strength, but add another at the same time.

 

[JianYang]

They aren't trading him and WTF would they retain on a 3.5MM deal. Great idea, we retain 1.5MM, trade him, then pay 4MM for his replacement and we are in for 5.75. Brilliant asset management.

I get some of you would play a full team of rookies but back in the real world, Savard is the perfect guy for the rebuild, dude will block a face with his nuts then drag himself in position to block one with his face. He provides serious coverage and leadership will the young guys mature.

Why trade a year early and retain for another draft pick? We have like 23 over the next 2 drafts including 3 firsts, 4 seconds and 4 thirds plus a fully loaded prospect pool. You aren't getting a first line player for him so what's the point? Stack endless draft picks so draft day is fun then lose the same guys on waivers?

You guys know what we are going to need? Steady vets on good deals. I know a guy.

Well, you wouldn't pay 4 mil for a replacement. The idea would be to grab someone from the crowded defensive pipeline in an entry level deal.

Not sure the Habs are looking at dealing Savard though unless someone knocks their socks off. They have already stretched themselves with the amount of rookies or 2nd year guys they have at the moment.

 

[JianYang]

The reason Chiarot fetched so much was because he showed how integral he was to our Cup run. Savard doesn't have those same looks going his way. No one looks at Tampa winning and thinks "Yeah Savard!" that team was stacked to the tits in talent.

Look around the league and check out some of the names that so called contenders are boasting on the backend.

Savard would certainly attract some attention.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Depends on how many dmen are available at the deadline and how desperate the buyer is.

Generally, I'd say he would fetch a 2nd at best but the market is weird sometimes.

What is your diet vegan regime? You seem to write moderate and lucid posts all the time. Unless you're an allien or more likely, an oldstyle modern man, btw who looks like your avatar. I could read pages and pages of comments and you write about the only one not in the extremes, just balanced in the middle. In a world of crazy people, you're not normal. Sorry for my post.

Lol, cheers !

 

[JianYang]

What is your diet vegan regime? You seem to write moderate and lucid posts all the time. Unless you're an allien or more likely, an oldstyle modern man, btw who looks like your avatar. I could read pages and pages of comments and you write about the only one not in the extremes, just balanced in the middle. In a world of crazy people, you're not normal. Sorry for my post.

Lol, cheers !

Lol, I'm not sure if this is a compliment, but I'll take it regardless!