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Can we fire him like right now?


We just set the record for most shots against in an 82 game-season. That most certainly goes beyond the players, it's a coaching thing. There have been much more brutal defensive teams in the past years who have let nowhere near that amount of shots.


OH WAIT, but 2945 shots against only leads to like 100 scoring opportunities! Reimer just let us down... We were in a playoffspot most of the season because Bernier was playing out of his mind.
 
Al14 said:
I voted yes, however, there is still a chance he may be retained if the players are identified as the main cause of our problems!

It's the same core of players who quit, or collapsed, under 2 different coaches! Maybe, it's the core of players that needs changing!
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Dumping Carlyle worked for the Ducks who had a worse record Randy's last year than the Leafs this year. This core wasn't getting their butts shot off every night for Wilson, it was more the years of soft goaltending. I don't see how they need to ditch half the lineup to allow under 40 shots a night. There are coaches who will get a lot better results out of this lineup. They played Randy-hockey from the day he started and it never worked.

The next coach can start dropping the players who won't listen to his message. Carlyle hasn't earned that right.
 
We need a psycho for a coach like Patrick Roy. He is the reason that Colorado made it far this year. Because they pretty much had the same roster last year excluding MacKinnon of course. We need a coach who will actually scare the crap out of his players so they will play well.
 
Why does no one talk about jeff balshill, I swear he's turned every wing into who they are O_o
 
I'm banking on it.

If he's still here next season then......**** this organization.
 
Leafswillrulesometim said:
OH WAIT, but 2945 shots against only leads to like 100 scoring opportunities! Reimer just let us down... We were in a playoffspot most of the season because Bernier was playing out of his mind.
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Don't kid yourself, Bernier had his fair share of stinkers. This messianic complex that some ppl have prescribed to Bernier is getting ridiculous. He still isn't a proven #1, he'll have next season to do that.
 
AuraSphere said:
Why does no one talk about jeff balshill, I swear he's turned every wing into who they are O_o
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He's my number 1 by far.

Players coach, won coaching awards in minor leagues, won calder, assistant coach for stanley cup. Much more qualified than eakins was.
 
Randy Carlyle wasn't the sole problem that led to our collapse, but he sure didn't do much to stop it. A stagnant powerplay, a continuously inept penalty kill, over-use of some players, under-use of others, and an increasingly poor relationship with a lot of the players. Also, the number of times he said some variation of "We don't know what's wrong with the team right now." was terrifying. How can any of the players/fans have confidence in their head coach when it's two straight months of not being able to figure out the problem, let alone trying to implement a solution.

I think a coaching change is pretty much a guarantee at this point, but that better not be the end of the changes. A large portion of the core of this team produced equally poor results under Ron Wilson (Kessel, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul, Gardiner, Kulemin, Franson, Gunnarson, Reimer).
 
Pyromaniac3 said:
Defence first teams are not the ones that are winning, puck possession teams are winning. LA's coach, Sutter, said it himself.

Carlyle doesn't coach like defence first either. Bottom 5 in pk, allows more goals than Buffalo, etc while receiving top 10 goaltending. Horrendous.
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Puck possession and team defence go hand in hand. The problem isn't Carlyle. It's clearly the players. They spend all game getting cycled and outworked. Giveaway after giveaway. Getting out-positioned and out-muscled. You name it. They just don't have the ability to play defence and forecheck and this means we get heavily outchanced. Our goalies can't bail out the team each and every game. Give Carlyle even half of what Sutter has on his roster and the Leafs would be in the playoffs.
 
TheThrill81 said:
Don't kid yourself, Bernier had his fair share of stinkers. This messianic complex that some ppl have prescribed to Bernier is getting ridiculous. He still isn't a proven #1, he'll have next season to do that.
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Keeping the Leafs in a playoffspot despite setting an NHL record for shots against isn't #1 material?

Bernier was AWESOME this season, every goalie has stinkers. When he got injured, **** hit the fan and Reimer couldn't hold us in. It was a combination of Reimer not at his best and our defense going full-Pejorative Slur .
 
Im sorry but if you have been preaching a "system" all year and it never comes to show, he should be fired.

No Defense
No Forecheck
Picks on Kadri when Vets like Franson are the real problem.
Kills players confidence directly to the media.(Reimer)
Out shot every game.
Cycle game is trash, lines 1-4 should ALL be hitting, regardless of player type(ie, St Louis)

Its all a joke, and when he gets caned lets actually look for a coach that DOESNT have a huge ego and starts holding players accountable.
Its no longer about experience, its about bleeding blue and wanting to win every single night. Put Dougie Gilmour behind the bench and watch these players play their ***** of night in and out.


Oh and by the way, if they bring in Torts to coach this team...I will no longer be watching.
 
Bomber0104 said:
Puck possession and team defence go hand in hand. The problem isn't Carlyle. It's clearly the players. They spend all game getting cycled and outworked. Giveaway after giveaway. Getting out-positioned and out-muscled. You name it. They just don't have the ability to play defence and forecheck and this means we get heavily outchanced. Our goalies can't bail out the team each and every game. Give Carlyle even half of what Sutter has on his roster and the Leafs would be in the playoffs.
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No doubt that the team in general isn't a good possession or a defensive minded team -- they weren't even under Wilson but Leafs have been a train wreck in both ever since Carlyle came over. Only reason why his system managed to work for a short period of time was because Leafs got insane goaltending from Reimer last year and from Bernier this year. Pretty much the same was happening during the end of his tenure with Anaheim and look they've turned it around since he left.

The roster clearly needs an upgrade but there is no denying Carlyle is a terrible coach whose old school style system just isn't working in this modern NHL. In fact, getting rid of Grabovski and MacArthur who were pretty good possession players because Carlyle didn't want them on the team hurt the team quite a bit as well as bringing in Clarkson to play the style he prefers.

Leafs should be better than they were and in this case, I do believe the coach has to take most of the blame. I'd be surprised if he was back at this point.
 
I think there's a chance he's still coach. Fans and the media are always going to be a little more likely to suggest moves than management will be. The options which could be better are pretty limited, and Pete Deboer isn't available this year as per Lou.

This team is in a tough situation.

I do mostly blame the coach. His systems don't work. He complains about lack of puck possession, but his defensemen never pinch. Puck possession teams aggressively pinch at the line.
 
Do the people that "think there's a chance he will be back" actually have a reason for thinking that?

I'm curious - some have suggested he might be back, but they haven't really said why. From my perspective, there's no reason to bring him back, so I wonder if I'm missing something.


TheThrill81 said:
Don't kid yourself, Bernier had his fair share of stinkers. This messianic complex that some ppl have prescribed to Bernier is getting ridiculous. He still isn't a proven #1, he'll have next season to do that.
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Just wait until Bernier's ridiculously high save % this season regresses to a more reasonable number, and then watch people's tones - he will go from that massiah to a complete dud; very similar to the way some people talk about Reimer now compared to a year ago.
 
If Carlyle is still coach next season I'm boycotting it. His system isn't working, and he didn't change it. He favoured slow vets over young speedy players. His player management was terrible. He never benched our vets like Franson, Phaneuf, or Clarkson when they were making mistakes.

Torotella is just as bad, and his system is hurting the Canucks offense.
 
I think Carlyle will be fired, however the question is when exactly would that decision be made? I can't see it being tomorrow since they are having the press conference to introduce Shanahan, so could we see it happen in a week or two weeks?
 
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LEAFS FAN 4 EVER said:
I think Carlyle will be fired, however the question is when exactly would that decision be made? I can't see it being tomorrow since they are having the press conference to introduce Shanahan, so could we see it happen in a week or two weeks?
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my guess is, he gets canned middle/end of next week or the beginning of the week after...
 
Carlyle could not motivate his players to play for him this season...a coach who cannot get the team to listen to him is useless. Either they dump the core of the team or dump the coach...easier for management to fire the coach.
 
Christ said:
Carlyle could not motivate his players to play for him this season...a coach who cannot get the team to listen to him is useless. Either they dump the core of the team or dump the coach...easier for management to fire the coach.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

At the idea a coach has to motivate professional athletes to play.
 
I personally think he is gone. He is an older style coach tbh in the new breed of hockey...it's not fitting and I just don't see him coming back.

I wonder if we can get someone like Deboer or Laviollete.
 
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