Speculation: Poll: Sneak into playoffs or 'tank' as much as possible

[Irishguy42]

Okay, that's fair. I know some people will actively root for losses. Was hoping someone could explain that to me (although I guess I get it with the Jets; I'm always rooting against them because they ****ing suck and are a ****ing embarrassment).

It's a large grey area, because everyone cheers for their favorite teams a bit differently.

There is no right or wrong way to cheer for your favorite team(s), IMO, because it's your fandom.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I voted "playoffs" in this poll, so obviously I'm rooting for the team.

I agree no team should EVER intentionally try to lose, unless it's some bizarre circumstance where they need to lose in order to make the playoffs or something.

I do not agree, however, that no one is ever better off in losing. I think it's pretty clear that the Rangers as an organization, from a talent standpoint and ultimately a success standpoint, would be better off with a lottery pick rather than a likely first-round playoff exit. Unless you truly believe that there's an actual, legitimate chance that the Rangers can win the Cup this season, then I don't know how you could argue that making the playoffs is better for the team than acquiring a valuable draft pick and potential impact player.

And again, I'm a guy who voted "playoffs." Mostly because it makes me feel better.

I meant I don't think you SHOULD be better off losing, not that I think you're never better off losing. I hold the unpopular opinion that every team should have equal odds of winning the draft lottery. I think it's sad that we have fans of bubble teams actively cheering against their team. It sometimes seems people would rather win the draft lottery than the Stanley Cup.

Also it doesn't necessarily make you better off either. I'm definitely someone who believes in the importance of a "winning culture". I believe poorly run franchises destroy top prospects careers which is unfortunate, and Edmonton, Arizona, and Buffalo being at the basement 3 years in a row are a testament to this. The 1st overall picks from the following drafts have never won a Stanley Cup:

1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1999
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2004
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2015
2016

 

[LeetchisGod]

I meant I don't think you SHOULD be better off losing, not that I think you're never better off losing. I hold the unpopular opinion that every team should have equal odds of winning the draft lottery. I think it's sad that we have fans of bubble teams actively cheering against their team. It sometimes seems people would rather win the draft lottery than the Stanley Cup.

Also it doesn't necessarily make you better off either. I'm definitely someone who believes in the importance of a "winning culture". I believe poorly run franchises destroy top prospects careers which is unfortunate, and Edmonton, Arizona, and Buffalo being at the basement 3 years in a row are a testament to this. The 1st overall picks from the following drafts have never won a Stanley Cup:

1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1999
2000
2001
2002
2004
2006
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016

I generally agree but missing the playoffs for the second time since the lockout is hardly going to create a losing culture. If we miss the playoffs several years in a row then I could see your argument.

 

[MikeSteaks]

Making the playoffs this season would be a disaster. I hope they lose every single remaining game.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I generally agree but missing the playoffs for the second time since the lockout is hardly going to create a losing culture. If we miss the playoffs several years in a row then I could see your argument.

Yea I agree, I wasn't saying that in reference to this specific year with this specific team, but just the general idea behind tanking. Especially amongst teams who are perpetual failures

 

[Thirty One]

The poll options are not really symmetrical. The 'go for it' option has a (unlikely) result, where the tank option only gives the method, not the result. What's the tank result that's about as likely as the playoffs? Top 3 pick? Top pick?

OK, I answered my own question:
Using the percentages on Sports Club Stats (I'm sure there are better ones out there but whatevs), the Rangers' pick will be (%):

1	5.092
2	5.354
3	5.603
4	0.023
5	0.518
6	2.654
7	6.701
8	11.816
9	16.464
10	17.481
11	13.749
12	7.582
13	2.725
14	0.202
15	0.002

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So they have the #1 overall as more likely than the playoffs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I meant I don't think you SHOULD be better off losing, not that I think you're never better off losing. I hold the unpopular opinion that every team should have equal odds of winning the draft lottery. I think it's sad that we have fans of bubble teams actively cheering against their team. It sometimes seems people would rather win the draft lottery than the Stanley Cup.

Also it doesn't necessarily make you better off either. I'm definitely someone who believes in the importance of a "winning culture". I believe poorly run franchises destroy top prospects careers which is unfortunate, and Edmonton, Arizona, and Buffalo being at the basement 3 years in a row are a testament to this. The 1st overall picks from the following drafts have never won a Stanley Cup:

1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1999
2000
2001
2002
2004
2006
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016

How does that list look when you expand to top 3? 5?

And I'm sorry, losing a ton over the last half of this season is not going to start a "losing culture."

 

[Off Sides]

~17% chance at the dreaded #10 pick.

 

[Thirty One]

~17% chance at the dreaded #10 pick.

I'm just as fearful of #12.

 

[Off Sides]

Is it really a losing culture effecting those teams or are they just poorly run and/or in tougher markets?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is it really a losing culture effecting those teams or are they just poorly run and/or in tougher markets?

I think its a factor in Edmonton for sure.

But other teams like Arizona are just poorly run. Rangers will never be like any of those teams because of their budget so people need not worry about that.

However, not being in a position to draft top end talent will hold this team back. They will either have to try and pull a Rick Nash deal to get someone else's top end player or pay out the ass when one hits UFA by buying out the back 9 of said player's career, while hoping that they can get all of the other pieces to fall into place.

 

[Thirty One]

The last time before this season I entertained the idea that the team might be better off losing than winning was 2009-10. I thought they might drop into the 5-7 range and have a chance at a Cam Fowler-type player.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I feel like I want us to score but don't mind and sometimes even half hope when the opposition scores on us. I hope for a 10-9 loss.

 

[Thirty One]

I think its a factor in Edmonton for sure.

But other teams like Arizona are just poorly run. Rangers will never be like any of those teams because of their budget so people need not worry about that.

However, not being in a position to draft top end talent will hold this team back. They will either have to try and pull a Rick Nash deal to get someone else's top end player or pay out the ass when one hits UFA by buying out the back 9 of said player's career.

Edmonton's big thing is management incompetence. Yes, they've picked at the top of the draft for half a decade. That's also about the only way they've added players of value.

 

[Machinehead]

Neither.

Can't we just play halfway decent and finish 11th in the conference?

If we do make the playoffs, I won't cry over the draft pick, but that brings AV back. That can't happen.

 

[Irishguy42]

Neither.

Can't we just play halfway decent and finish 11th in the conference?

If we do make the playoffs, I won't cry over the draft pick, but that brings AV back. That can't happen.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The last time before this season I entertained the idea that the team might be better off losing than winning was 2009-10. I thought they might drop into the 5-7 range and have a chance at a Cam Fowler-type player.

Yeah, that was uncalled for. Like picking at your scabs?

 

[Claxton]

Making the playoffs=AV keeps his job 100%

No thanks.

 

[effen]

cant vote for whatever reason, but playoffs for sure.

life is short, hockey is entertainment, tanking gets us like the 6th pick or something most often compared to like 9 if we try, lol @ that

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, that was uncalled for. Like picking at your scabs?

I do, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

I just think we need to be aware that we may play poorly and jump 3-4 spots and still get the same player we would 3-4 spots later.

 

[Siddi]

The last time before this season I entertained the idea that the team might be better off losing than winning was 2009-10. I thought they might drop into the 5-7 range and have a chance at a Cam Fowler-type player.

Asshole

 

[EdJovanovski]

How does that list look when you expand to top 3? 5?

And I'm sorry, losing a ton over the last half of this season is not going to start a "losing culture."

1989: 1 of top 5 won cup
1990: 2 of top 5 won cup
1991: 1 of top 5 won cup
1992: 0 of top 5 won cup
1993: 2 of top 5 won cup
1994: 1 of top 5 won cup
1995: 0 of top 5 won cup
1996: 0 of top 5 won cup
1997: 0 of top 5 won cup
1998: 3 of top 5 won cup
1999: 0 of top 5 won cup
2000: 1 of top 5 won cup
2001: 1 of top 5 won cup
2002: 0 of top 5 won cup
2003: 3 of top 5 won cup
2004: 3 of top 5 won cup
2005: 1 of top 5 won cup
2006: 3 of top 5 won cup
2007: 1 of top 5 won cup
2008: 1 of top 5 won cup
2009: 0 of top 5 won cup
2010: 1 of top 5 won cup
2011: 0 of top 5 won cup
2012: 0 of top 5 won cup
2013: 0 of top 5 won cup
2014: 0 of top 5 won cup
2015: 0 of top 5 won cup
2016: 0 of top 5 won cup

 

[Ghost of jas]

I do, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

I just think we need to be aware that we may play poorly and jump 3-4 spots and still get the same player we would 3-4 spots later.

There are no guarantees with any of this. I’m not going into this thinking everything is automatically going to be successful. I’m just excited to actually see this kind of rebuild being attempted. I think this could be fun.

 

[Siddi]

Neither.

Can't we just play halfway decent and finish 11th in the conference?

If we do make the playoffs, I won't cry over the draft pick, but that brings AV back. That can't happen.

 

[Nanaki]

I voted for playoffs just because I don't want the season to end. I know in my heart it's better to tank but I can't bring myself to root for a loss. If we lose out so be it; if we win out so be it. We have a lot to look forward to this offseason either way. It's been a good while since we had this much potential for new blood and the more I think about it... it was sorely needed.