Please Grade Dubas on today's Free Agent Pickups.

[Bomber0104]

Yet you provide no facts and logic to refute my comparisons in the original post. Seems what you're doing is trying to take me farther and farther away from my original post so you don't have to counter anything in it.

We're done here.

The fact is no team has attempted to do what Dubas has done.

Dubas hasn't had one sniff of success with that formula, and is likely soon to be fired with any more failure.

The fanbase doesn't tolerate constant failure all that well after years and years of it and if ownership doesn't do it, the fans will demand it themselves.

I hope that's enough fact and logic for you.

Facts and logic can surely be frustrating when you don't like them.

 

[Havoc]

The fact is no team has attempted to do what Dubas has done.

Dubas hasn't had one sniff of success with that formula, and is likely soon to be fired with any more failure.

The fanbase doesn't tolerate constant failure all that well after years and years of it and if ownership doesn't do it, the fans will demand it themselves.

I hope that's enough fact and logic for you.

Just a bunch of fluff and literally nothing about my original post. I get it. 50% of our cap used on 4 forwards. 5 first round losses.

How does any of that refute my original post?

There are some factual comparisons that exist between the Leafs and past cup winners since this new management took over. These comparisons allow for some optimism. I don't know why this is triggering you.


And why do you keep replying just to get the last word? We're speaking in circles now and you refuse to actually contradict why my comparisons don't matter. Somehow if Matthews and Marner each put up 30 points, JT and Nylander each put up 20-25....it doesn't matter all because they take up 50% of the cap? lol

I'm going to bed. If you truly need the last word you can have it. I'm done here.

 

[Bomber0104]

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And why do you keep replying just to get the last word? We're speaking in circles now and you refuse to actually contradict why my comparisons don't matter. Somehow if Matthews and Marner each put up 30 points, JT and Nylander each put up 20-25....it doesn't matter all because they take up 50% of the cap? lol

I'm going to bed. If you truly need the last word you can have it. I'm done here.

So if this is what you want to call factual, please save it.

That's called a hypothetical and a long-shot at that.

When you want to actual talk seriously without make-believe arguments like the one you just posted let me know, otherwise yeah I'd leave it alone...

 

[Dayjobdave]

When I look at the signings league wide I don’t see much of anything the Leafs missed out on.

Bogo and Perry deals are great for Tampa but I don’t think they were available to the Leafs.

Considering our roster needs and cap restrictions, I’m good with what the team did.

 

[ottomaddox]

Ranking the Leafs offseason signings... the ranking was determined by the player's value, contract signed, and fit/need for the team

1. Kampf - underrated signing, at a very good cost. Love how this will free up Tavares and Spezza for more o-zone starts
2. Mrazek - seeing what some goalies went for (Graubner, Ullmark, Brossoit etc.) I think this is a very fair deal and a great compliment to Campbell.
3. Bunting - love this signing, obviously. Amazing cost and hopefully he keeps a bit of his scoring prowess that we saw in limited time in the desert.
4. Kase - this can easily be #1 if he remains healthy. Just an amazing bet
5. Ritchie - I like this signing, just don't think I'm as high on it as I do others. He does bring a different element to the team which is nice
6. Ho-sang PTO - Jfresh wrote an article about him not to long ago. Worth a shot
7. Gabriel, Amadio, Menell etc. - depth. I like the trade/signing for Menell. Seemed to be undervalued in Minny, worth a shot.

I respect your opinion, but IMHO Dubas hasn't had much success from the fringes unless you count veteran players:

Spezza, Simmonds, Thornton, Bogosian, Galychenuck all gave you a little bit of what they already could do. Anderson, Pitan, and Malgin gave TOR nothing.

Kampf is maybe the only ok pick up here. Otherwise everyone else is an "if", "maybe", and "worth a shot".

 

[yubbers]

Just a bunch of fluff and literally nothing about my original post. I get it. 50% of our cap used on 4 forwards. 5 first round losses.

How does any of that refute my original post?

There are some factual comparisons that exist between the Leafs and past cup winners since this new management took over. These comparisons allow for some optimism. I don't know why this is triggering you.


And why do you keep replying just to get the last word? We're speaking in circles now and you refuse to actually contradict why my comparisons don't matter. Somehow if Matthews and Marner each put up 30 points, JT and Nylander each put up 20-25....it doesn't matter all because they take up 50% of the cap? lol

I'm going to bed. If you truly need the last word you can have it. I'm done here.

You still haven't figured out locker room dynamics and overall team culture can't be quantified on spreadsheets huh? This team has no leadership or professionalism. We have a pushover GM that is more interested in being your friend than a boss. This team is going nowhere until management is replaced sadly

 

[darrylsittler27]

My confusion is do they really think that Defense will win a round if Muzzin gets injured?

 

[capfit9]

My confusion is do they really think that Defense will win a round if Muzzin gets injured?

see last 2 years

 

[zeke]

I don't think majority would choose 20/21 Campbell over 18/19 or 19/20 Fred

20/21 Campbell .921sv% (.934 playoffs)
16/17 Andersen .918sv% (.915 playoffs)
18/19 Andersen .917sv% (.922 playoffs)
17/18 Andersen .918sv% (.896 playoffs)
19/20 Andersen .909sv% (.936 playoffs)

 

[Mess]

I don't think majority would choose 20/21 Campbell over 18/19 or 19/20 Fred if the opponent was the Bruins or any team worth being scared of, so you can see the contradiction in what I was replying to.

20/21 Campbell only faced shooters from Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Calgary, Winnipeg and Vancouver.

Just wait until OV, Kucherov, Crosby, Malkin, MacKinnon, Perfection line, etc etc etc and others are bearing down on him. Then we will be able to compare 21/22 Campbell vs Andersen in past years more accurately. Campbell has never started more games in a single season that would be equal to 1/2 a normal season as he only has 78 starts his entire 9 year career to date.

Dubas will not be graded on individual decisions, but rather the results of the team as whole that he has assembled, and that evaluation will not be focus on the regular season but most importantly on the playoffs this year.

 

[Mess]

ESPN handed out its grades. Free-agency grades for all 32 NHL teams

Toronto Maple Leafs

Key additions: F Nick Ritchie, F Ondrej Kase, F Michael Bunting, C David Kampf, G Petr Mrazek
Key losses: LW Zach Hyman, C Jared McCann (expansion draft), G Frederik Andersen
Remaining hole: The Maple Leafs are looking a little thin at center in their bottom six, but have a little cap space available to address it.

Grade: B+. The Leafs' offseason losses got the most attention, as top-line forward Hyman left for Edmonton, the Kraken selected newly acquired McCann (as the Leafs chose to protect defenseman Justin Holl) and the Andersen era ended with his signing in Carolina. But GM Kyle Dubas did some really interesting work to fill those holes, get a little younger and play some wild cards.

Ritchie and Bunting could vie for time in the top six; the pesky Bunting is especially interesting, as he had 11 goals in 26 games in two seasons with Arizona. Kase has seen his career basically put on hold due to concussion symptoms; if he can go, and that remains a huge "if," he was a top-line talent in Anaheim a few years ago. Mrazek, meanwhile, is a statement of faith in Jack Campbell more than anything else. He's a great tandem goalie, and has been better than Andersen in the last few seasons.

On paper, it all looks good, aka the unofficial slogan of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[ottomaddox]

ESPN handed out its grades. Free-agency grades for all 32 NHL teams

Toronto Maple Leafs

Key additions: F Nick Ritchie, F Ondrej Kase, F Michael Bunting, C David Kampf, G Petr Mrazek
Key losses: LW Zach Hyman, C Jared McCann (expansion draft), G Frederik Andersen
Remaining hole: The Maple Leafs are looking a little thin at center in their bottom six, but have a little cap space available to address it.

Grade: B+. The Leafs' offseason losses got the most attention, as top-line forward Hyman left for Edmonton, the Kraken selected newly acquired McCann (as the Leafs chose to protect defenseman Justin Holl) and the Andersen era ended with his signing in Carolina. But GM Kyle Dubas did some really interesting work to fill those holes, get a little younger and play some wild cards.

Ritchie and Bunting could vie for time in the top six; the pesky Bunting is especially interesting, as he had 11 goals in 26 games in two seasons with Arizona. Kase has seen his career basically put on hold due to concussion symptoms; if he can go, and that remains a huge "if," he was a top-line talent in Anaheim a few years ago. Mrazek, meanwhile, is a statement of faith in Jack Campbell more than anything else. He's a great tandem goalie, and has been better than Andersen in the last few seasons.

On paper, it all looks good, aka the unofficial slogan of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

That's pretty fair.

I just wish there wasn't so many questions/incomplete picture on the third line and TOR's 3rd pairing D players.

 

[nuck]

That's pretty fair.

I just wish there wasn't so many questions/incomplete picture on the third line and TOR's 3rd pairing D players.

If the purpose of free agency was to build your team to be more competitive than last season than it looks like a fail. Way too many what ifs. But this is the NHL not MLB with a flat cap added on so the purpose has to be to make the best signings you can afford. I give it a B. The only possible overpay is Mrazek because the Leafs don't defend as well as the Canes so he might not shine like last year but he could also be better than Kuemper this year and look what that cost Colorado.

It would be interesting to know the deals that almost happened. Who did they miss out on over one year of term or a few hundred K? Who do they have offers out on yet? They could be waiting for one of the unsigned decent forwards to0 get desperate. Almost over but not yet. I figured they would have to make at least one trade to beef up the roster and I still think that will happen.

 

[Knies iT]

B-

Expansion (A-):

• Smart play by buying a 3C with the PIT trade. I personally would have paid an additional incentive to SEA for them to take Kerfoot (essentially Hallander + 7th + Kerfoot incentive) in order to keep McCann. I would rather build my 3C/2LW around a 6'1" Canadian with more punch than Kerfoot, but keeping Holl and only losing Hallander + 7th was a win.

Subtractions (C+):

• Hyman walking: signing Hyman to EDM's contract would be an automatic F. I like how Dubas didn't help EDM by giving them the 8th year, but they also lost out on assets by not doing so; + for playing hardball, - for having your bluff called.
• Bogosian walking: admitted it was due to COVID restrictions. If Hakanpaa signed the 1.5m contract that was offered, the overall grade would improve, but now they are a softer D group with more risk due to youth.

Additions (B):

• Bunting best value add, Kase biggest wild card, and Ritchie biggest need addressed. Kampf most underrated, but at the same time I don't think you can maximize his value with the current makeup of the bottom six.
• No Hyman replacement, but higher quality depth additions than last season (all players are better than Thornton, Vesey, and Simmonds) while also giving more term (multiple 2 year deals).

Overall i'd put more weight on the subtraction category because Hyman was the biggest topic of the off-season and he was lost for nothing with no viable replacement. However, your GM can't improve the roster on paper every off-season for 10 years or you'd be looking at Team Canada.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Quantity over quality. Hoping something pans out. With all the spreadsheets and such, we don't unearth many gems. The whole European experiment seems like a waste of time as well. Keep signing the best so and so not in the NHL. Don't play them. They get sad. Then get moved to another crappy team for crap in return.

 

[Sniper99]

Whomever gave him a A needs an intervention. Or a stiff drink.

Whatever strain they're smoking must be pretty good too.

Losing Hyman sucked and with the lack of cap space I'm not really surprised with what we came back with. Not surprised we lost Andersen but I'm looking forward to seeing how Mrazek will do with us.

 

[zeke]

. Not surprised we lost Andersen .

"Lost"

 

[Racer88]

That's pretty fair.

I just wish there wasn't so many questions/incomplete picture on the third line and TOR's 3rd pairing D players.

Get used to it. Lol. There will be question about this roster until after playoffs next year

 

[ACC1224]

ESPN handed out its grades. Free-agency grades for all 32 NHL teams

Toronto Maple Leafs

Key additions: F Nick Ritchie, F Ondrej Kase, F Michael Bunting, C David Kampf, G Petr Mrazek
Key losses: LW Zach Hyman, C Jared McCann (expansion draft), G Frederik Andersen
Remaining hole: The Maple Leafs are looking a little thin at center in their bottom six, but have a little cap space available to address it.

Grade: B+. The Leafs' offseason losses got the most attention, as top-line forward Hyman left for Edmonton, the Kraken selected newly acquired McCann (as the Leafs chose to protect defenseman Justin Holl) and the Andersen era ended with his signing in Carolina. But GM Kyle Dubas did some really interesting work to fill those holes, get a little younger and play some wild cards.

Ritchie and Bunting could vie for time in the top six; the pesky Bunting is especially interesting, as he had 11 goals in 26 games in two seasons with Arizona. Kase has seen his career basically put on hold due to concussion symptoms; if he can go, and that remains a huge "if," he was a top-line talent in Anaheim a few years ago. Mrazek, meanwhile, is a statement of faith in Jack Campbell more than anything else. He's a great tandem goalie, and has been better than Andersen in the last few seasons.

On paper, it all looks good, aka the unofficial slogan of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

How are we rating the key additions now that we've seen the players for a dozen or so games?

 

[egd27]

How are we rating the key additions now that we've seen the players for a dozen or so games?

Overall - "C"

Bunting has been worthwhile, Ritchie has been a disappointment, the rest are what they are.....filler

 

[ACC1224]

Overall - "C"

Bunting has been worthwhile, Ritchie has been a disappointment, the rest are what they are.....filler

Agreed, maybe C-. I'd add Mrazek to the disappointment column as well.

 

[TMLAM34]

Originally I gave Dubas a B, however that definitely drops down to a C… With Ritchie being a huge disappointment, Mrazek not able to stay healthy and hasn’t looked great in the very limited action we’ve seen him in, there’s really only Bunting to be happy about. Kampf looks like a 4th line center who can PK. Kase hasn’t been impressive either but not awful.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Massive F-

 

[Twine Tickler]

Kase - A
Bunting - A
Kampf - B+
Mrazek - B-
Ritchie - C-

overall: B

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Timothy Liljgren the GM