Playoffs: whom to cheer, whom to jeer

[Henkka]

I don't think he is bad, but Hyman is overrated. Take away the years he played with McDavid or Matthew's and his numbers don't look great. At best a passable average 2nd line winger.

How can he be overrated, when his caphit is only 5.5M.

He is overproducing, but yeah, that's not a surprise for anyone.

I'm rooting all for Florida. I did bet them to win the Cup already at summer after my roster strength analyze. And nothing has changed. Best overall team and Barkov, as the co-owner of Tappara Tampere, my finnish favourite, of course I want him to win and bring that Cup to Tampere.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I don't think he is bad, but Hyman is overrated. Take away the years he played with McDavid or Matthew's and his numbers don't look great. At best a passable average 2nd line winger.

I was mostly just referring to his contribution in this year's playoffs.

But a major part of their success is still two generational forwards and the growth of a Dman who was drafted before Holland arrived.

 

[Henkka]

I don't think he is bad, but Hyman is overrated. Take away the years he played with McDavid or Matthew's and his numbers don't look great. At best a passable average 2nd line winger.

Why would we take those years away? Good complimentary players will always end up to play with best talents. Because that's the way to get the best out of the best talent. He has deserved that role with his play.

 

[odin1981]

Why would we take those years away? Good complimentary players will always end up to play with best talents. Because that's the way to get the best out of the best talent. He has deserved that role with his play.

Because the year's he plays on the wing of a generational talent aren't what he would do having a average level center. If I remember before Matthew's he was like a 20-25g 20a player.

Bur with McDavid he has like 2 year's of 40+ g production. But he is not aa 40g scorer normally. He is the type of player that when he hits UFA free agency GM's should run away from. But, because he played with at worst 2 franchise #1 center's (Matthew's, and I would say McDavid is a generational one) someone will throw him a 5 year term at like 7-8 million when he is past 30 and it will be a new terrible non great net front guy that's immediately a bad contract once he plays with a normal first or secondine center.

 

[norrisnick]

Because the year's he plays on the wing of a generational talent aren't what he would do having a average level center. If I remember before Matthew's he was like a 20-25g 20a player.

Bur with McDavid he has like 2 year's of 40+ g production. But he is not aa 40g scorer normally. He is the type of player that when he hits UFA free agency GM's should run away from. But, because he played with at worst 2 franchise #1 center's (Matthew's, and I would say McDavid is a generational one) someone will throw him a 5 year term at like 7-8 million when he is past 30 and it will be a new terrible non great net front guy that's immediately a bad contract once he plays with a normal first or secondine center.

He's halfway through a 7 x $5.5M that he signed as a UFA at 29yo that I'm sure Edmonton is really happy with.

 

[odin1981]

He's halfway through a 7 x $5.5M that he signed at 29yo that I'm sure Edmonton is really happy with.

He will be Lucic level bad when he signs his next deal but make first line money. But he won't have a franchise center giving him extra offense.

With normal centers, he was just a 45'ish point player. He has only ever produced 30+ goals with a franchise level center or better.

 

[norrisnick]

He'll be 36. No one is signing him to dumb money at that point.

 

[lilidk]

Cheering for Holland and Mcdavid

 

[FabricDetails]

Ugh.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Cheering for Holland and Mcdavid

Holland doesn't deserve to win but I want McDavid and Canada to win.

 

[FMichael]

 

[jkutswings]

Holland doesn't deserve to win but I want McDavid and Canada to win.

If the Edmonton Oilers win a Stanley Cup, every other thread in this forum will eventually degrade into, "Detroit won't have a successful rebuild until they land a franchise center at the top of the draft."

Hard pass.

Thankfully, I think the Panthers would absolutely destroy Edmonton. Dallas might make a series of it with better depth, but I see Florida putting McDavid and Draisaitl through a meat grinder of forechecking and outright dirty play, and the Oilers not having an answer once those two wear down.

 

[lilidk]

If the Edmonton Oilers win a Stanley Cup, every other thread in this forum will eventually degrade into, "Detroit won't have a successful rebuild until they land a franchise center at the top of the draft."

Hard pass.

Thankfully, I think the Panthers would absolutely destroy Edmonton. Dallas might make a series of it with better depth, but I see Florida putting McDavid and Draisaitl through a meat grinder of forechecking and outright dirty play, and the Oilers not having an answer once those two wear down.

How strange , last season Florida barely made to playoffs and went to finals And continues to be one of the hardest team to play against. That's how actually Yzerman building this team drafting Seider, Edvinsson, Danielson, Kasper and hopefully MBN

 

[ricky0034]

How strange , last season Florida barely made to playoffs and went to finals And continues to be one of the hardest team to play against. That's how actually Yzerman building this team drafting Seider, Edvinsson, Danielson, Kasper and hopefully MBN

If the Edmonton Oilers win a Stanley Cup, every other thread in this forum will eventually degrade into, "Detroit won't have a successful rebuild until they land a franchise center at the top of the draft."

Hard pass.

Thankfully, I think the Panthers would absolutely destroy Edmonton. Dallas might make a series of it with better depth, but I see Florida putting McDavid and Draisaitl through a meat grinder of forechecking and outright dirty play, and the Oilers not having an answer once those two wear down.

ah yes if Florida wins that'll sure show anyone thinking you need a franchise Center drafted highly when their 2nd overall franchise Center wins the Conn Smythe

 

[jkutswings]

ah yes if Florida wins that'll sure show anyone thinking you need a franchise Center drafted highly when their 2nd overall franchise Center wins the Conn Smythe

I'm not saying that Florida doesn't have great talent, including some drafted very high. But some fans act like you either have a guy in the top five for the Art Ross or you're not a legit playoff contender. And that mentality would become even more prevalent with Edmonton's dynamic duo winning it all.

 

[Snuggs]

I'm not saying that Florida doesn't have great talent, including some drafted very high. But some fans act like you either have a guy in the top five for the Art Ross or you're not a legit playoff contender. And that mentality would become even more prevalent with Edmonton's dynamic duo winning it all.

It's how I'm acting based off multiple Stanley cup winners outside of a handful of outliers.

Gotta have dudes that perform in crunch time.

Florida has also done alot, signed big names, made big trades, drafted top notch players, hired/fired better coaches. They've done a lot more than the Red Wings, it's not the same realm, imo.

Red Wings rebuild towards a Stanley cup is the St. Louis Blues pathway. Until they decide to do a total reboot and draft in the top 3 multiple years again. They don't have the talent.

 

[Winger98]

Until they do.

 

[better Red than Dead]

If the Edmonton Oilers win a Stanley Cup, every other thread in this forum will eventually degrade into, "Detroit won't have a successful rebuild until they land a franchise center at the top of the draft."

Hard pass.

Thankfully, I think the Panthers would absolutely destroy Edmonton. Dallas might make a series of it with better depth, but I see Florida putting McDavid and Draisaitl through a meat grinder of forechecking and outright dirty play, and the Oilers not having an answer once those two wear down.

My hatred of Edmonton is because I think they’re cry babies and can’t stand their GM. The GM who is benefiting from having passed on Bouchard in 2018, among other things. So I’m going to be the biggest Panthers fan

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Panthers are rotten scum, very dirty. Way worse than Oilers babies.

Go Oilers. Panthers deserve the misery of losing more than the Oilers do.

But expecting Florida to smash these guys.

What I really want is for Florida to do some really dirty stuff to the Edmonton stars, knock them out of the series and all the world comes down on Bettman for allowing it to happen, so much so, Bettman is finally forced into retirement.

 

[FabricDetails]

Oh no... Are we about to hear Kenny say maybe this Stanley Cup Final is like the 1997 Wings/Flyers series where everybody thought the Flyers were going to beat the crap out of the Wings?

 

[DamonDRW]

Don't want Kenny to get another Cup for free. What a career that guy has... Doing nothing and always being in the right time in the right place.

 

[Henkka]

But a major part of their success is still two generational forwards and the growth of a Dman who was drafted before Holland arrived.

He inherited McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Nurse and Bouchard from season 2018-19.

Ryan McLeod and Stuart Skinner were prospects on that time.

And in 5 years, all the other roster players have been changed.

Promoted from the system:
- Ryan McLeod
- Stuart Skinner
- Vincent Desharnais
- Dylan Holloway (2020 1st pick)
- Philip Broberg (2019 1st pick, first Holland-era pick)

Trades for:
- Mattias Ekholm
- Adam Henrique
- Sam Carrick
- Brett Kulak
- Warren Foegele

UFA market
- Zach Hyman
- Evander Kane
- Derek Ryan
- Connor Brown
- Mattias Janmark
- Corey Perry
- Sam Gagner
- Cody Ceci
- Jack Campbell
- Calvin Pickard

Lineup yesterday:

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
McLeod - Drai - Perry
Holloway - Henrique - Kane
Janmark - Ryan - Brown
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(Foegele, Gagner)
Carrick IR

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Kulak
Broberg - Ceci
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Desharnais

Skinner
(Pickard)

That coaching change could be the best move of all years. After the coaching change for Knoblauch, Oilers have the highest .703% regular season points percentage from NHL.

Still I think Florida is the more complete team, but this ain't bad either.

No one ever remembers, how Adam Larsson had to leave for free, because his father died at Edmonton, and he couldn't stand the feeling staying at Edmonton. He just wanted the scenery change. Holland had to trade assets for Ekholm to replace that loss.

Another loss was Oscar Klefbom for career-ending ankle injuries. Or Puljujärvi busting, from Chiarelli era. It's not have been easy free ride for Edmonton, like many tend to describe it.

 

[SoupNazi]

Gotta go with the Cats. Can't stand the idea of Holland walking away from the disaster we're still recovering from, only to win another Cup.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Gotta go with the Cats. Can't stand the idea of Holland walking away from the disaster we're still recovering from, only to win another Cup.

He walked away for Yzerman… Edmonton couldn’t do anything right until he got there. Sorry gang you’re reaching. Him being involved in winning for 30+ years isn’t lucky guys. It is because he is a good talent evaluator and manager of people. His biggest impact in Edmonton has been fixing the culture. Not really debatable now that the impact was massive.

You can argue somebody else would have but they didn’t. Holland did do those things and he warned of the cliff we were approaching starting in 2014. I guess if he takes over Buffalo next it will be the real challenge…

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He walked away for Yzerman… Edmonton couldn’t do anything right until he got there. Sorry gang you’re reaching. Him being involved in winning for 30+ years isn’t lucky guys. It is because he is a good talent evaluator and manager of people. His biggest impact in Edmonton has been fixing the culture. Not really debatable now that the impact was massive.

You can argue somebody else would have but they didn’t. Holland did do those things and he warned of the cliff we were approaching starting in 2014. I guess if he takes over Buffalo next it will be the real challenge…

Yes, we're the ones reaching....