Series Talk: Playoff Qualifier Series: Minnesota Wild vs Vancouver Canucks (VAN wins 3-1)

[2Pair]

The Canucks were supposed to win because Jacob Markstrom was supposed give them such an advantage between the pipes. But, he stunk bad last night ... and his team still won. Why?

Alex Stalock had one shutout and still finished with an .897 save percentage in a four game series.

 

[Lapa]

That's just not true.

For 6M AAV for 5 years, I feel like it is. At least on the Wild, since we're not all that deep with our forwards. Bad wording on my part.

Yes, that's why Zuccarello was a $6M free agent. Zuccarello isn't a hard player to figure out. Play him with skilled players and you will get a 50 point guy. Play him on a line where he's the 3rd best player and you're probably looking at 60 points.

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

According to this he played a lot of the season on a line with Zucker and Staal, and on a line with Parise and Zucker. I couldn't find any stats on how much he produced with each line though, so I don't know how much he produced on each line.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Pretty sure it's down to 5 years.

For each of them. I used to think Suter at least would be worth it.

 

[Wild11MN]

I disagree. The Wild have treated him like crap since day one, in my opinion. Boudreau was a serious problem for him, there was no communication, and part of the reason why that coach was fired. Zuccarello has confirmed his issues with BB to the media, I'll find the link if you want it.

Yes please, I don't remember reading that.

 

[2Pair]

For 6M AAV for 5 years, I feel like it is. At least on the Wild, since we're not all that deep with our forwards. Bad wording on my part.



Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

According to this he played a lot of the season on a line with Zucker and Staal, and on a line with Parise and Zucker. I couldn't find any stats on how much he produced with each line though, so I don't know how much he produced on each line.

Now tell me what his production was when he played with Staal and Zucker?

Would also love for you to explain how he played on a line with Parise and Zucker?

 

[Lapa]

Now tell me what his production was when he played with Staal and Zucker?

Would also love for you to explain how he played on a line with Parise and Zucker?

If you have a source how much he produced with each player/line, feel free to post it.

Also, mistake on my part. Meant to write Parise and Staal, not Parise and Zucker. According to that site, his two most common lines were Zucker - Staal - Zuccarello (27,51%) and Parise - Staal - Zuccarello (15,82%).

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Now tell me what his production was when he played with Staal and Zucker?

Would also love for you to explain how he played on a line with Parise and Zucker?

Parise and Staal is the next most frequent on the website. I'm sure it's just a typo.

 

[2Pair]

If you have a source how much he produced with each player/line, feel free to post it.

Also, mistake on my part. Meant to write Parise and Staal, not Parise and Zucker. According to that site, his two most common lines were Zucker - Staal - Zuccarello (27,51%) and Parise - Staal - Zuccarello (15,82%).

I have already posted the numbers in this discussion before. Zuccarello scored at either a 60 or 70 point pace in the 30-ish games he played with Staal and Zucker, if I remember correctly. Listing Parise as a quality linemate is just laughable.

 

[Lapa]

I have already posted the numbers in this discussion before. Zuccarello scored at either a 60 or 70 point pace in the 30-ish games he played with Staal and Zucker, if I remember correctly. Listing Parise as a quality linemate is just laughable.

Parise was a bit underwhelming this season considering his usual level, but he still was our leading goal scorer.

 

[Webster]

Yes please, I don't remember reading that.

Norwegian newspaper, give me some time.

Zuccarello's problems with Boudreau really hurt his game, people should keep that in mind.
And btw...Evason seems like a copy of BB.

 

[2Pair]

Parise was a bit underwhelming this season considering his usual level, but he still was our leading goal scorer.

because of the PP

 

[2Pair]

Here's a quick run through of my point about Zuccarello and linemates

first 8 games he was paired with the anchor Parise = Zuccarello had 1 point

next 23 games from october 29 until Zucker gets injured december 15th = Zuccarello had 17 points. that's a 60 point pace over 23 games.

Even if you look at the 44 game sample from october 29 until Zucker was traded on feb 10 = Zuccarello had 29 points. That's a 55 point pace over more than half the season.

 

[Spurgeon]

Here's a quick run through of my point about Zuccarello and linemates

first 8 games he was paired with the anchor Parise = Zuccarello had 1 point

next 23 games from october 29 until Zucker gets injured december 15th = Zuccarello had 17 points. that's a 60 point pace over 23 games.

Even if you look at the 44 game sample from october 29 until Zucker was traded on feb 10 = Zuccarello had 29 points. That's a 55 point pace over more than half the season.

Those are below average 2nd line numbers.

 

[2Pair]

Those are below average 2nd line numbers.

a 55-60 point season is below average? WTF are you talking about? What did expect Zuccarello to put up playing here?

 

[Spurgeon]

a 55-60 point season is below average? WTF are you talking about?

He didn't sustain that pace.

 

[Lapa]

Here's a quick run through of my point about Zuccarello and linemates

first 8 games he was paired with the anchor Parise = Zuccarello had 1 point

next 23 games from october 29 until Zucker gets injured december 15th = Zuccarello had 17 points. that's a 60 point pace over 23 games.

Even if you look at the 44 game sample from october 29 until Zucker was traded on feb 10 = Zuccarello had 29 points. That's a 55 point pace over more than half the season.

So did he produce well with anyone else other than Zucker (and Staal, I assume)?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He didn't sustain that pace.

He didn't continue to play with those players either.

 

[2Pair]

He didn't sustain that pace.

Because he started playing with guys like Parise, Foligno, and Galchenyuk. That's the whole point of the discussion

 

[Webster]

Mid section of this article, I'll translate..

Reporter: In February coach Bruce Boudreau was fired, and Dean Evason replaced him.

Zuccarello: -I felt that I wasn't used in a way that would get the best out of me. At the same time I wasn't good enough either, perhaps I was waiting too much for inputs.

Reporter: The communication between Zuccarello and Boudreau was close to non-existent.

Zuccarello: -I felt that he (BB) didn't know anything about me and what I've done in this league. It was a little frustrating, but at the same time it's part of the game, and you have to learn how to deal with it.

Zuccarello trying to be nice, but Boudreau obviously didn't do his job, and lost it he did.

Zuccarello går hardt ut mot gamleklubben: – Respektløst

 

[2Pair]

So did he produce well with anyone else other than Zucker (and Staal, I assume)?

No, because Minnesota became a 1 center team and Fiala deservedly was given that center.

 

[Spurgeon]

Because he started playing with guys like Parise, Foligno, and Galchenyuk. That's the whole point of the discussion

Still below average 2nd line numbers. Also, where was he in the playoffs?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Still below average 2nd line numbers. Also, where was he in the playoffs?

Still playing with Galchenyuk.

 

[Spurgeon]

Still playing with Galchenyuk.

Granlund didn't have trouble putting up numbers w/ Koivu and he's a bottom 6 center.

Zuccarello isn't being paid $6M to be the 3rd best player on his line.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Granlund didn't have trouble putting up numbers w/ Koivu and he's a bottom 6 center.

Zuccarello isn't being paid $6M to be the 3rd best player on his line.

Koivu is now, he wasn't 3 years ago.

So find a way for Zuccarello to at least be the 2nd best player on a line.

How many points do you think Staal puts up playing with Greenway and Hartman?

 

[2Pair]

Still below average 2nd line numbers. Also, where was he in the playoffs?

How many forwards scored 60 points this season?