Value of: Playmaking Second Line C To Montreal
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Mika Hoffmanijad is a Brassard hater (just because Zibanejad was traded for Brassard), there is absolutely no chance that Ottawa moves Brassard for Radulov. I don't think that poster has an ounce of credibility left on the Sens board, bias is just too strong towards swedish players (I love Sweden too)
Brassard makes a total of 10.0 for 3 years, which is 3.33 per season. Sure Brassard has a slow start with new teammates in a new system that is litterally learning "team defense", but he has averaged 60 pts per 82 games the last 2 years and has been a clutch player and monster performer in the playoffs. Radulov on the other hand is UFA at the end of the year and 31 y/o. If he outscores what Brassard did the last 2 years (over 60 pts), he is going for a big payday.
Ryan on the other hand is only slightly overpaid (by ~1.25 per season) and is just 29 y/o, not 35 y/o like HF is making out to be. His contract will be over at 35 y/, which is hardly a grandpa age. Yes, many haters on HF have built a really bad reputation for Ryan but the guy has been producing at a 57 pts pace EVERY SEASON (except the lockout year where he paced at 53 pts) since his career season of 71 pts in 2010-11. He is dealing with injuries right now (it's probably not the time to trade him or to trade for him) and had a slow start, like everybody on the Sens. Some payers are starting to produce. Hoffman has now 16 pts in 21 games, which is a 62 pts pace. But his pace 2-3 weeks ago was similar to Ryan.
Thought I'd inform people because that was lacking here based on the replies.
I know people love Radulov but if the Habs could do Brassard + Ryan for both UFAs Radulov + Desharnais (which I asbolutely have 0 interest for), they would do it 100/100 (although it'd be hard to fit this within the cap. Give us Plekanec too and we'd give Pageau lol)
Byron-Galchenyuk-Ryan (1A)
Pacioretty-Brassard-Gallagher (1B)
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Danault-Mitchell-Carr
You'd have five 55+ forwards and you give Plekanec the chance to excel on the 3rd line.
Sure, where do we sign?
You must be the biggest Sens hater/Habs homer I have ever seen. And I've been reading internet about hockey for a dozen years
Byron-Galchenyuk-Stone (50-70-70)
Pacioretty-Brassard-Gallagher (60-55-50)
Plekanec
I'm sure the Habs wouldn't make that trade
Stone + Brassard for Radulov + Desharnais
lol what a gem
Ryan has become practically garbage and with that contract
your stuck with him.Radulov is so much better than Brassard.
We are not dumping our now best forward in Radulov just to get rid of DD.
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Center is a very hard to fill slot. It's going to be expensive. Canadiens can negotiate retirement, like LA did with Lecavalier. At the deadline, the salary is already mostly paid.
I'd like to watch Henrik with two speedy wingers. I think he can be valuable.
This is why we cannot add the twins. The skilly part of our top 6 is realy too slow. The player needed has to bring a decent element of speed, where the twins cant help
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Ryan has become practically garbage and with that contract
Radulov is so much better than Brassard.
We are not dumping our now best forward in Radulov just to get rid of DD.
Ok First, you were talking about STONE AND BRASSARD, not Ryan... You said that acquiring Mark Stone and Derrick Brassard for Alexander Radulov and David Desharnais would be a downgrade and wouldn't help the team to win...
And Ryan has become garbage where exactly? I'll copy/paste something for you that is called FACTS.
How is all this even close to being "garbage"? That's 229 Games right here, or maybe you put more weight in a 19 games simple where he wasn't even bad? Guy Boucher (who I think has a little bit more credibility than you) said a few weeks ago when the whole team was not scoring for a 10 games stretch that Bobby Ryan was the forward creating the most scoring chances. I checked the data of HDSCF/60 and guess what? Data matched what Boucher said. Now he has been dealing with a hand injury since and left 2 games very early in the 1st period.
The only thing "garbage" here is your posting and anyone with a bit of insight can see that, you're just spewing baseless things left and right. Now if you want to make your ridiculous claims, I will call out your posts by providing real factual evidence. And what will you have against that? Let me take a guess : more emptiness because you have nothing to say.
By the way : Radulov 1 assist, -2 in last 4 games. Maybe the honeymoon is over? It wouldn't surprise me if Radulov ends up around 55 pts (like I predicted). Very good player, but maybe not the superstar you are trying to promote. You know what? Sens fans have watched Bobby Ryan start the last 3 seasons close to PPG at around 50 games played. It's the last 25-30 games of each season where he struggled because of injuries and lack of endurance. That is why the fanbase is not happy with him
i posted that, i think its a strong base, if avs looking to retool, of course they're would probably be minor tweaks to the deal
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So not only don't you want to include a player off the roster but you also want to keep your best prospects out of a trade . If only 2nd line C were that cheap in the NHL you would be set
Ryan 3G 5A 8 TP PLUS 1
Rad 4G 14A 18TP PLUS 5
Nuff said.
And when did a small part of the season dictate what would happen for a whole season . I am surprised by you posting this as you are one of the first to jump on Oilers fans if they post something base on a short period . Ryan could end up with 20 more points at the end of the season or he could end up with 20 less . 22 or 23 games does not make a season
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Pacioretty + Beaulieu + top pick/prospect
Johansson + Burakovsky
Burakovsky Galchenyuk Radulov
Lehkonen Johansson Gallagher
Byron Plekanec Shaw
Flynn Danault Mitchell
Desharnais
Ovechkin Backstrom Oshie
Pacioretty Kuznetzov Williams
Connolly Eller Wilson
Vrana Winnik Beagle
Carey
The Caps are also missing their 2nd and 3rd round picks this year in the draft. Shake up for both teams Caps get scoring, the Habs get a playmaking 2nd line Center in Johansson who can also play LW. Burakovsky gives the Habs size up front to replace Pacioretty at the same time.
The Beaulieu will fit in with the mobile defense of Washington and make it an easy transition.
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Well i would gladly make a bet that Ryan isn't going to end up with 20 more pts.
I'd even give you 5-1 odds .What do you think?
I didn't think so.
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Neither of those make any sort of sense for Montreal & they lose them badly.
Have you actually seen Ryan play in the past 3-4 years? I'm a habs and sens fan, trust me a lot of people are praying that Vegas picks him up. Ditto for Plekanec and MTL.
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Add a swap of Desharnais+ Scherbak for Soderberg and it might make sense for the Avs if we really want to blow it up (which I doubt but if this season continues the horrible way it has started (terrible play+ horrible injuries), we might have no choice)
The 1st would have to be in 2018 though for me to consider this. The 2017 draft is IMO not strong enough to justify trading Duchene for Sergachev.
Also need another forward prospect added into that deal and that is why I added the Soderberg swap because otherwise the Avs will never fix and overcome their depth issues.
And if we trade Duchene to you, I kind of want to see you win a cup. Soderberg hasn't been great (like the rest of the bunch) at all this season but he still should provide a crapload more to your team than Desharnais and gives the Avs some caprelief for next season (not that we need it but the Kroenkes certainly won't want to spend to the cap if we go rebuild).
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Maybe that is true ( Base on contracts alone I think Radulov has more value ). But he is also more of a head case . Value is on a lot of things . Kane is a good example . All the tools he has and his value is tanking because he is a head case . Now that doesn't mean players don't mature and leave that crap behind . I also stuck up for Patches in another thread . I am one who like to see a full season or 2 to base value on a player .
His contract is terribly bad right now . But Radulov hasn't exactly been a role model . I still say he has more value then Ryan base on contract alone . Just it bothers me when people don't like using small sample sizes but do it themselves . Do we Take Connor point per game last year and multiply by 82 games and call him a 90 + point player ? Nope or we would hear about it . Ryan could get hot and go on a 10 game hot streak .
