Value of: Playmaking Second Line C To Montreal
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T. Johnson
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Desharnais
Montreal 1st 2017
Montreal 1st 2018
With 5 2nd round picks between these two drafts, Montreal can afford to move those picks...Montreal gets their #2 center.
Tampa gets futures to prolong the cup chance. After Desharnais's deal is up after this year, they open up cap space for other signings or trades.
For
Desharnais
Montreal 1st 2017
Montreal 1st 2018
With 5 2nd round picks between these two drafts, Montreal can afford to move those picks...Montreal gets their #2 center.
Tampa gets futures to prolong the cup chance. After Desharnais's deal is up after this year, they open up cap space for other signings or trades.
He would probably actually be the # 3 C behind Plekanec even if he played on the "2nd line". But he'd still be a big upgrade to the middle of the Habs lineup.
He has a cap hit and term that the team could fit in.
If top assets like Sergachev aren't on the table the Habs aren't looking at getting a great 2nd line center on a good cap hit.
Except Tampa is also in compete for the cup mode right now also so Johnson won't be going anywhere during the season.
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Anaheim- Rakell, MAYBE (probably not)
Arizona- Hanzal
Boston- Don't see them trading within division, otherwise maybe a Krejci or Spooner
Buffalo- ^, would have to be Reinhart but that'd take Sergachev+
Calgary- Backlund? Looks like Monahan isn't having a great season but I doubt they'd give him up.
Carolina- Staal maybe, contract could be bad if it doesn't work out
Chicago- Nope
Colorado- If anyone, maybe Duchene but I don't think they'd be looking to move him for futures
Columbus- Dubinsky or Jenner to help with expansion maybe? Not entirely sure
Dallas- Nope
Detroit- I would have liked Nielsen but otherwise no one
Edmonton- Would love to have the Nuge, would not love the probable price.
Florida- Bjugstad maybe, if they keep underperforming
LA- Would love Carter, wonder what the price would be.
Minnesota- Coyle/Granlund/Koivu? Any of them available?
Nashville- Does Wilson still play center? Ribeiro might be a bit old
NJ- Henrique maybe
NYI- Nelson/Strome (risk)
NYR- definite win now mode
Ottawa- Doubt it
Philadelphia- Doubt it.
Pittsburgh- Nope
San Jose- Would love Couture or Thornton but they wouldn't do it
St Louis- Nope
Tampa Bay- I'd like to have Johnson but nope
Toronto- I think Kadri would do brilliantly here but he's part of their plans
Vancouver- I really think we should go hard after the Sedins, if we could get them at 50% retained, we would have a great forward lineup.
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Sedin-Sedin-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Byron-Danault-Mitchell
Washington- God I'd love Kuzy. Nope.
Winnipeg- I doubt they'd do it, but Little would be a great fit
Arizona- Hanzal
Boston- Don't see them trading within division, otherwise maybe a Krejci or Spooner
Buffalo- ^, would have to be Reinhart but that'd take Sergachev+
Calgary- Backlund? Looks like Monahan isn't having a great season but I doubt they'd give him up.
Carolina- Staal maybe, contract could be bad if it doesn't work out
Chicago- Nope
Colorado- If anyone, maybe Duchene but I don't think they'd be looking to move him for futures
Columbus- Dubinsky or Jenner to help with expansion maybe? Not entirely sure
Dallas- Nope
Detroit- I would have liked Nielsen but otherwise no one
Edmonton- Would love to have the Nuge, would not love the probable price.
Florida- Bjugstad maybe, if they keep underperforming
LA- Would love Carter, wonder what the price would be.
Minnesota- Coyle/Granlund/Koivu? Any of them available?
Nashville- Does Wilson still play center? Ribeiro might be a bit old
NJ- Henrique maybe
NYI- Nelson/Strome (risk)
NYR- definite win now mode
Ottawa- Doubt it
Philadelphia- Doubt it.
Pittsburgh- Nope
San Jose- Would love Couture or Thornton but they wouldn't do it
St Louis- Nope
Tampa Bay- I'd like to have Johnson but nope
Toronto- I think Kadri would do brilliantly here but he's part of their plans
Vancouver- I really think we should go hard after the Sedins, if we could get them at 50% retained, we would have a great forward lineup.
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Sedin-Sedin-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Byron-Danault-Mitchell
Washington- God I'd love Kuzy. Nope.
Winnipeg- I doubt they'd do it, but Little would be a great fit
If the Leafs are out of it at the deadline and Montreal is still on a tear what about Bozak and JVR for Sergachev. They play well together and both have another year at decent numbers.
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I would personally love to have Malkin with the Habs. I don't even know what it would cost, because I know it would be HUGE, but Malkin in MTL would be incredible. It would have to be a massive overpayment though, so maybe it wouldn't be worth it.
Other dream Cs would be Tavares or one of Anze Kopitar/Jeff Carter from LAK. I would also like to see the Sedins come to MTL too, but we all know that GM is so stupid he wouldn't even let it happen - since he feels VAN is in win-mode lol.
Nah, he's a little feather. Always "injured". I would trade DD + mid-prospect for him. Nothing more. He'll be injured when it matters most. That's not something MTL needs.
Other dream Cs would be Tavares or one of Anze Kopitar/Jeff Carter from LAK. I would also like to see the Sedins come to MTL too, but we all know that GM is so stupid he wouldn't even let it happen - since he feels VAN is in win-mode lol.
Nah, he's a little feather. Always "injured". I would trade DD + mid-prospect for him. Nothing more. He'll be injured when it matters most. That's not something MTL needs.
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Because I thought he was somehow still on a 5-6M contract.
Make it Brassard+Stone for Radulov+DD+B prospect
No way.We're trying to win now.Downgrading to Brassard+Stone doesn't help that cause.
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Montreal would decline, we'd open up a hole long term in any deal with Sergachev involved.
Bozak I'd have slight interest in depending on the price. DD would have to go back the other way. I'd add something small but that's about it. He makes more & his contract is for one more year.
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Jenner isn't much of a playmaker and would cost assets Montreal shouldn't be giving up. Dubi could potentially be available, but balancing such a trade would be really awkward since we're not exactly going after Large Piles Of Futures and have no need for blueline prospects.
Really, the problem with doing deals with the Jackets right now is that we have no obvious on-paper weaknesses at the moment aside from a lack of game-conquering superstars - and that's not something you address via the trade market. There's plenty of places to do incremental upgrades, but usually that's not worth trying to force a trade.
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Tampa will be competing for a cup run this season, Why would Yzerman make a crazy trade like this? Tampa is in a win now mode so picks are of no use to Tampa and a smallish center like Desharnais is of no use to Tampa.
Xspyrit
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Brassard makes a total of 10.0 for 3 years, which is 3.33 per season. Sure Brassard has a slow start with new teammates in a new system that is litterally learning "team defense", but he has averaged 60 pts per 82 games the last 2 years and has been a clutch player and monster performer in the playoffs. Radulov on the other hand is UFA at the end of the year and 31 y/o. If he outscores what Brassard did the last 2 years (over 60 pts), he is going for a big payday.
Ryan on the other hand is only slightly overpaid (by ~1.25 per season) and is just 29 y/o, not 35 y/o like HF is making out to be. His contract will be over at 35 y/, which is hardly a grandpa age. Yes, many haters on HF have built a really bad reputation for Ryan but the guy has been producing at a 57 pts pace EVERY SEASON (except the lockout year where he paced at 53 pts) since his career season of 71 pts in 2010-11. He is dealing with injuries right now (it's probably not the time to trade him or to trade for him) and had a slow start, like everybody on the Sens. Some payers are starting to produce. Hoffman has now 16 pts in 21 games, which is a 62 pts pace. But his pace 2-3 weeks ago was similar to Ryan.
Thought I'd inform people because that was lacking here based on the replies.
I know people love Radulov but if the Habs could do Brassard + Ryan for both UFAs Radulov + Desharnais (which I asbolutely have 0 interest for), they would do it 100/100 (although it'd be hard to fit this within the cap. Give us Plekanec too and we'd give Pageau lol)
Byron-Galchenyuk-Ryan (1A)
Pacioretty-Brassard-Gallagher (1B)
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Danault-Mitchell-Carr
You'd have five 55+ forwards and you give Plekanec the chance to excel on the 3rd line.
Make it Brassard+Stone for Radulov+DD+B prospect
Sure, where do we sign?
Byron-Galchenyuk-Stone (50-70-70)
Pacioretty-Brassard-Gallagher (60-55-50)
Plekanec
I'm sure the Habs wouldn't make that trade
Stone + Brassard for Radulov + Desharnais
lol what a gem
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Brassard makes a total of 10.0 for 3 years, which is 3.33 per season. Sure Brassard has a slow start with new teammates in a new system that is litterally learning "team defense", but he has averaged 60 pts per 82 games the last 2 years and has been a clutch player and monster performer in the playoffs. Radulov on the other hand is UFA at the end of the year and 31 y/o. If he outscores what Brassard did the last 2 years (over 60 pts), he is going for a big payday.
Ryan on the other hand is only slightly overpaid (by ~1.25 per season) and is just 29 y/o, not 35 y/o like HF is making out to be. His contract will be over at 35 y/, which is hardly a grandpa age. Yes, many haters on HF have built a really bad reputation for Ryan but the guy has been producing at a 57 pts pace EVERY SEASON (except the lockout year where he paced at 53 pts) since his career season of 71 pts in 2010-11. He is dealing with injuries right now (it's probably not the time to trade him or to trade for him) and had a slow start, like everybody on the Sens. Some payers are starting to produce. Hoffman has now 16 pts in 21 games, which is a 62 pts pace. But his pace 2-3 weeks ago was similar to Ryan.
Thought I'd inform people because that was lacking here based on the replies.
I know people love Radulov but if the Habs could do Brassard + Ryan for both UFAs Radulov + Desharnais (which I asbolutely have 0 interest for), they would do it 100/100 (although it'd be hard to fit this within the cap. Give us Plekanec too and we'd give Pageau lol)
Byron-Galchenyuk-Ryan (1A)
Pacioretty-Brassard-Gallagher (1B)
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Danault-Mitchell-Carr
You'd have five 55+ forwards and you give Plekanec the chance to excel on the 3rd line.
Sure, where do we sign?
Byron-Galchenyuk-Stone (50-70-70)
Pacioretty-Brassard-Gallagher (60-55-50)
Plekanec
I'm sure the Habs wouldn't make that trade
Stone + Brassard for Radulov + Desharnais
lol what a gem
Its not as bad as he made it out to be, but to imply Stone is a 70 point player is healthy optimism. Radulov has great chemistry with Galchy and one could even argue, he is the one responsible for bringing out the best in Galchenyuk. Stone would not have that impact on AG27. What makes it work is Radulov is the main playmaker on that line and forces AG to shoot more often then he used to. Stone is a shoot first winger.
Brassard/Desharnais is a no brainer, hands down win, upgrade for the Habs. But seeing that I don`t think Stone will make our first line better at all, it makes for an easy pass on the trade.
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FLA apparently love their advanced stats. DD's advanced stats are not bad at all, haha!
Desharnais
Hudon
2nd 2017
Bjugstad
5th 2017
Desharnais
Hudon
2nd 2017
Bjugstad
5th 2017
Xspyrit
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Dude, Mark Stone has a 66 pts pace per 82 games in his first TWO NHL SEASONS. You don't think Galchenyuk + Stone could be a good duo and make him score 4 additional points?
Yeah, 4 points, that's "healthy optimism"
Stone made Pageau a 43 pts player and Zack Smith a 25 goals scorer last season, playing not even half of the year with them... If you don't think that Stone makes his teammates better, then you have no idea who Mark Stone is... Stone is a playmaker, but is also good at finishing. Actually, he's good at everything.
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Depends what you mean by 'small'
Bozak is a much better player than DD, is better on the draw, and better in his own zone. I dont think DD necessarily has negative value, but its neutral in my mind.
Id want to target McCarron, with it being Bozak retained (so he costs 3.5) + a minor leaguer (to balance contracts)for McCarron, DD + mid/late pick.
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The Jets just re-signed the guy in the summer because they love what he brings and can play both C and W. For a middle 6 forward, his contract is pretty good as well.
I'm curious why you think he could be had, or that he could be had for cheap.
