Players with the full hardware case

[BrokenFace]

Ok so its not fake. Got it.

If needing me to explain what "fakest" meant in the context of my post feels like an achievement to you, then that would explain why you think the Messier Leadership Award is an achievement compared the real awards hockey players can win.

 

[1989]

They should give out a Raffi Torres award for most brutal hit of the season. Torres himself can sit on the panel that decides on the award along with Chris Simon, and a third guy (but I can't think of anyone in particular for that third spot right now).

I know it's in jest but Simon isn't around any more, just FYI. Passed last year at just 52.

RIP.

 

[Summer Rose]

I know it's in jest but Simon isn't around any more, just FYI. Passed last year at just 52.

RIP.

I didn’t know that. Now I feel bad.

 

[daver]

Another interesting question could be :

Among all the trophies that could be won more than once, who did it at least twice? That removes the Calder from the OP

Ross
Hart
Lindsey
Richard
Cup
Smythe

Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby….. who else?

Even if all the trophies existed in the 40s and 50s, Howe, Beliveau, Hull and Richard do not qualify.

 

[1989]

I didn’t know that. Now I feel bad.

Yeah, I figured; don't expect anyone to keep up with all the bad news nowadays.

I did a little deep dive on some of the enforcers of the 2000s and Simon was one of them... let's just say that dive brought up a lot of sadness, way too many guys gone too soon and leaving families behind.

Anyways... the Calder/Byng/Messier/Bettman's Lottery Winners am I right, or something.

 

[Mubiki]

They should give out a Raffi Torres award for most brutal hit of the season. Torres himself can sit on the panel that decides on the award along with Chris Simon, and a third guy (but I can't think of anyone in particular for that third spot right now).

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is no amount of money you could pay to get Chris Simon to do this...

Edit: Someone beat me to it.

 

[Voight]

Poor Wayne and the owner's hatred of the WHA. Bush league they said, but feared it so much they then said Gretzky had played in a professional league. Years later Makarov rolls in after Russian League experience and wins. I'm not bitter. Retroactively won Rockets too of course.

Honestly had he not been the GOAT I feel like the league would've treated the WHA like the WWE treats the WCW.

 

[castle]

Calder is a nothing trophy IMO, Sid has the full hardware case as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah. Gretzky doesn't have the Calder either. Not a big one.

 

[castle]

Arguing Selke is more important over Calder is crazy work.

The opposite is true. Arguing Calder over selke is crazy work.

 

[landy]

I'd argue the Calder is the most difficult to win we should def not be discounting it.

 

[Run the Gauntlet]

The Calder is a prelude to greatness.
From the 69-70 season to the 03-04 season, there were 35 Calder winners, 20 of them 57% are in the Hall of Fame, with a handful of near Hall of famers. So if you get it, the chances of getting into the HOF are super high.

 

[Legion34]

Matthews is probably the only one In theory who could do it. His lack of assists makes it unlikely but

Calder
Rocket.
Hart
Pearson
Byng finalist
Selke finalist
6th in scoring.

I’m assuming he wins a selke and a byng at some point. Both are life time achievement awards.

Only question is if he ever can ever get enough assists to win a Ross

Edit just saw the Smythe

That’s a tough sell but if the leafs win it he will get it

Marner will cry forever. Like when Crosby robbed Kessel.

I think that’s a completely seperate award as it’s playoffs.

Is there Anyone who has won all the reg awards?

Calder Ross. Rocket. Pearson. Hart. Selke. Byng?

 

[dr robbie]

Out of curiosity, and I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, what is your opinion of the Bill Masterton?

It's almost like a side quest? I don't really hold it relevant to other trophies, but it's nice to acknowledge people that are able to overcome obstacles / dedication to the sport. Shouldn't be weighed at all in my opinion and I don't think I could name a single player outside of Lemieux that won it from memory.

 

[TheLegend27]

Calder isn’t as important as the Selke. Who cares how good a player was during his rookie year, it’s a nice start to a career but a Selke shows two way impact and is generally much harder to win.

 

[crowfish]

The Calder is not an important trophy. The 2 best players to enter the league in the past 25 years didn't win it, which is all you need to know.

The key trophies are the ones that do not require luck and only get won by the best players in the league, which are:

Hart
Ross
Lindsay

Here's the all-time leaderboard top 10 for those 3 trophies. It's pretty much a GOAT cheat sheet for forwards.

24 Gretzky
13 Lemieux
12 Howe
12 McDavid
9 Jagr
9 Espositio
8 Lafleur
7 Ovechkin
7 Crosby
6 Mikita
5 Hull

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Well, I consider Calder an important and unique trophy as you can only win it once

Technically you can win it more than once.

 

[ViD]

Technically you can win it more than once.

How ?

 

[Summer Rose]

How ?

Only thing I can think of is that if somehow, some way, a player only played 25 games in his first true season in the NHL (I guess he could have also played up to 6 in the previous season) and was so incredible in those 25 games that the voters had no choice but to give him the Calder. That would leave him technically still eligible for the Calder the following season. In practice, I would imagine that even if he were also the best player among those eligible to win it in that second year, the voters wouldn't vote him as the winner on principle, even though he was technically eligible for the award.

 

[syz]

Any trophy that you're only eligible for once is minor imo. You're barely competing with anybody for it in any given year and even then it's largely decided by a bunch of factors outside of any individual performance (injuries to you or your slim competition, the very random quality of any given season's rookie class, having one of the millions of coaches throughout history who just doesn't like playing rookies, being up against a guy who's 5 years older than you who landed on a better team, etc).

 

[Acallabeth]

The Calder is not an important trophy.

Calder isn’t as important as the Selke. Who cares how good a player was during his rookie year, it’s a nice start to a career but a Selke shows two way impact and is generally much harder to win.

If we describe Selke as an award for a select pool of 2-way forwards voted by hockey journalists, it's easy to see how much of a specialist award it is. Calder Trophy at least can be won by player from any position.

Whatever. Most NHL trophies are awarded by Professional Hockey Writers' Association and, obviously, are subject to heavy bias (even very prestigious ones like Hart and Conn Smythe). Art Ross, Richard and Lindsay are the only exceptions among the estabilished awards. I think splitting hairs about which reputation award is better isn't worth much time.

 

[ozzie]

Calder isn’t as important as the Selke. Who cares how good a player was during his rookie year, it’s a nice start to a career but a Selke shows two way impact and is generally much harder to win.

Whilst in the end I agree the Selke looks more impressive on a resume and is more important.. At times I feel like it's a popularity contest more so than any other awards and subject to extreme bias. It's not the only award, but reputation seems ot play a big role.

 

[Kcoyote3]

I love that without even clicking the thread I knew it would turn into an Ovi vs Sid debate by the end of the first page.