We already saw an insecure Ovechkin supporter and now we’re getting an insecure Crosby one.
Yeah, Gretzky technically doesn’t make this list but that’s due to a real anomaly in the system. And I don’t think he or Lemieux should be excluded from the Richard when both fled the league in goals.
As dumb as it is that Gretzky was ineligible for the Calder I did rule him out because he didn't get it. Even if all of the trophies had existed since the start of the league I don't think there is anyone who ever would have won each one. Howe and Beliveau would have gotten everything but the Selke as well had all of those trophies existed, barring some kind of bizarre voting.
By all means include it. I don’t put any stock in it though. Others might.
A fan who doesn't even know an NHL award exists probably shouldn't hold his opinion so highly.
More so that the rule intent on voiding his eligibility for having played in a competing league wasn't meaningful. The only people that didn't see Gretzky as the best rookie in the league that year were NHL shills. There's more than a handful of winners pre-Gretzky that played pro and semi-pro hockey before joining the NHL.
It’s rare for a superstar scorer to have managed to win the Selke. Yzerman did it. He was stuck behind prime Gretz and Mario or otherwise would’ve had everything. Even then though, he finished 2nd in the Calder. Fedorov as well.
Aware of its existence? Sure. Sponsored by Rolaids or Cold FX or whatever… I don’t consider it a serious award. As I said, others might.
Again you don't know what you are talking about. Rolaids has nothing to do with the award but lets move on.
It was brought in under Cold FX or something. It’s totally arbitrary and not based on any kind of performance. It has the same significance as the Lady Byng. None.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, no nhl award is sponsored.
LeFleur wants to discredit anything that Ovechkin hasn't won. Some people live through hockey players.
In the end I don't see what relevance a sponsor plays in its legitimacy. Especially when every time I watch NHL hockey all I see is sponsors everywhere even on their helmets but if its an award that means its bad. Its hogwash.
One of us doesn’t.
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Yes it's very rare. Even then though, Yzerman and Fedorov didn't get the Calder. I was also wrong in my previous post as well since Beliveau and Howe didn't get the Calder either. Yzerman never led the NHL in scoring outside of Gretzky and Lemieux, though in 1989 he probably outscores Nichols if Gretzky doesn't exist. Fedorov would have a scoring title but not leading the NHL in goals.
