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Sky04 said:
You really are. Nobody discredited Ovechkin's win for the Calder, they're saying Crosby also had an exceptionally ridiculous rookie year.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh: The Calder obviously holds merit with that poster or he wouldn’t have responded with “he would have won it any other year” but the fact is he didn’t win and lost to Ovechkin who had the better year. “The Calder is a nothing trophy, Crosby has the entire hardware case as far as l’m concerned” yeah that’s definitely not a non biased insecure take buddy
 
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max21 said:
Yeah I’m the one being insecure “he would have won it any other year” but he didn’t because he got beaten by Ovechkin, doesn’t really matter the significance of the trophy.
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What's wrong with stating the truth? I have no dogs in this fight yet you assumed I only said that to ''discredit'' Ovi.

I know the Ovi/Crosby debate have been heated over the years and you got a Ovi pick so it's easy to see where you come from, don't get me involved in that, I don't care about that rivalry.
 
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max21 said:
:laugh::laugh::laugh: The Calder obviously holds merit with that poster or he wouldn’t have responded with “he would have won it any other year” but the fact is he didn’t win and lost to Ovechkin who had the better year. “The Calder is a nothing trophy, Crosby has the entire hardware case as far as l’m concerned” yeah that’s definitely not a non biased insecure take buddy
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totally not projecting your insecurities on me
 
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Lazytrout said:
What's wrong with stating the truth? I have no dogs in this fight yet you assumed I only said that to ''discredit'' Ovi.

I know the Ovi/Crosby debate have been heated over the years and you got a Ovi pick so it's easy to see where you come from, don't get me involved in that, I don't care about that rivalry.
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What’re you even talking about? The truth is that Ovechkin has a Calder and Crosby doesn’t, just as Crosby has a selke and Ovechkin doesn’t. You’re stating that the Calder is insignificant to the selke which I disagree with. “Crosby would have won it any other year” I guess that’s some sort of coping to you? The fact is he didn’t win it, because he lost out to a better player at the time. There is some real Calder buzz this year, so the trophy obviously is important to some people.
 
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max21 said:
What’re you even talking about? The truth is that Ovechkin has a Calder and Crosby doesn’t, just as Crosby has a selke and Ovechkin doesn’t. You’re stating that the Calder is insignificant to the selke which I disagree with. “Crosby would have won it any other year” I guess that’s some sort of coping to you? The fact is he didn’t win it, because he lost out to a better player at the time. There is some real Calder buzz this year, so the trophy obviously is important to some people.
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I just said that to point out how close Crosby and Ovi's rookie season were, all the credit to Ovi for winning the calder that year, I didn't mean to discredit that, heck that was also the hardest calder to win in the 21th century if you'd read between the lines.

I don't have anything to cope with about Crosby or what his legacy his, it's not a personal subject to me which you decided to assume it was for no reasons other that your personal feelings.

Calder is a great a prestigious trophy but OP's list is arbitrary

edit- I get that it may not have been clear in my first post
 
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ViD said:
Well, I consider Calder an important and unique trophy as you can only win it once
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That's true, but the rest of the awards are literally winning the championship, or leading in scoring. I'd say they all qualify as far more important than the Calder, which I could see fitting alongside the other secondary awards like the Selke, positional awards (Vezina and Norris), etc.
 
Lazytrout said:
I just said that to point out how close Crosby and Ovi's rookie season were, all the credit to Ovi for winning the calder that year, I didn't mean to discredit that, heck that was also the hardest calder to win in the 21th century if you'd read between the lines.

I don't have anything to cope with about Crosby or what his legacy his, it's not a personal subject to me which you decided to assume it was for no reasons other that your personal feelings.

Calder is a great a prestigious trophy but OP's list is arbitrary

edit- I get that it may not have been clear in my first post
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That’s very fair, it sounds like we both maybe interpreted it the wrong way.
 
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Lazytrout said:
Calder is a great a prestigious trophy but OP's list is arbitrary
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Well, other than Selke, which targets a specific position, how is it arbitrary?

Only a forward could win Selke, only a d man could win Norris, only a goalie could win a Vezina.

All the trophies I listed could be won by any skater.
 
jigglysquishy said:
Bobby Orr won every trophy he was eligible to win.
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What Dman matches Leetch's resume? besides orr are there any?

Calder
Norris 2x (Hart Substitute?)
Cup
Conn Smythe
102 pts to lead all Dmen in 1992 (AR/Rocket substitute?)

I guess he could technically win the rocket...
Could win the Lindsey award too I suppose although I cant remember last time a Defenseman won that.
 
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Salsa Shark said:
What Dman matches Leetch's resume? besides orr are there any?

Calder
Norris 2x (Hart Substitute?)
Cup
Conn Smythe
102 pts to lead all Dmen in 1992 (AR/Rocket substitute?)

I guess he could technically win the rocket...
Could win the Lindsey award too I suppose although I cant remember last time a Defenseman won that.
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Orr won all that, plus the Hart and the Art Ross (no substitutes needed).
 
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Here's a (probably incomplete) list of players who have won five or more of these trophies:
  • Ovechkin - all seven
  • Gretzky - six (missing the Calder due to a technicality about eligibility)
  • Lemieux - six (he's actually achieved all seven, but the RR wasn't introduced until late in his career)
  • Orr - six (missing the RR - but won the Norris)
  • Crosby - six (missing the Calder)
  • Malkin - six (missing the RR)
  • Kane - six (missing the RR)
  • LaFleur - five (it really should be six - he led the NHL in goals before the RR was introduced; but he's missing the Calder)
  • McDavid - five (missing the Calder and Stanley Cup)
  • Trottier - five (missing the RR and Pearson)
It's tougher with older players (because there were fewer trophies). Gordie Howe almost certainly would have had six of these trophies (everything except the Calder), but neither the Rocket Richard or Pearson trophies existed at the time.

EDIT - Bernie Geoffrion is another example. He won six Stanley Cups, a Hart, two Art Ross trophies, and the Calder. That's four. He led the league in goals twice, but before the Rocket Richard trophy was introduced (Rocket Richard, the player, was his teammate). That's really five, since it's a statistical trophy. He also has a good case for the 1957 Conn Smythe trophy (he decisively led the playoffs in goals and points). Who knows? He could have won the Pearson/Lindsay trophy in 1961 (when he won the Hart - the winners correspond 60-70% of the time). Geoffrion could have won all seven trophies, had they been around back then.
 
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