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Player Discussion: Drew Doughty Thread

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TruKingFan said:
I'm firmly in the trade Doughty camp asap. One of Toffoli or Pearson. One of Martinez or Muzzin. Let Mitchell & Gravel walk. Sign Reider @ 2.75 per season AAV max. Re-sign Folin.

Move Kempe full time to the top line. LaDue in the top 4D. Amadio as 3C. Play Brodz on his right. AI on his left.

Without any return for the trades:
kempe--kopi--brown
Pearson/Toffoli--Carter--Villardi
AI--Amadio--Brodz
Reider-Thompson-Lewis
Clifford-AA-Rempal

Ladue-Forbort
Muzzin/Martinex-Brickley
Fantenberg-Phaneuf
StrandF-Folin

If that's the worst team next year then so be it, right?
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Bold = GROSS
 
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funky said:
I love DD. Great guy to watch, still young and very decorated. If he is a King for life I am happy.

If he wants to leave then I know we will be reimbursed dearly to start a rebuild as some want or to help retool.

Blake has made no long term signings as he is keeping the wallet open for Doughty. I love our core which includes Doughty but I hate our depth.

I am taken back to the Lubomir Visnovsky trade that landed us Greene and Stoll. I was pissed at the trade but that trade built our depth.

Now Doughty is a whole new ballgame but would an unsigned Drew land us Kadri and Rielly in a trade?

Yes both are no superstars but both are really good players. Kadri is a 30 goal scorer signed long term at 4.5 mil a year and is only 27 while Rielly is signed long term at 5 mil a year and is 24.

That is 9.5 mil on 2 great players and possibly 1.5 to 2.5 mil a year cheaper then the contract Doughty will command.

Now if we go back to the original DL days in which we build goalie out with great defence and solid centers we go after Tavares. Expensive yes, but only 27 and one hell of a player.

With a middle of Kopitar, Tavares and Kadri we have the luxury of moving Carter to Wing or trade him for another RHD to slot behind Rielly. We have Vilardi coming up that may fit better at wing as well as Kempe who may be a better fit at wing and out of the dot.

Again I am not pushing to move Doughty, I have read a lot about trading him for picks and prospects but I haven't read a lot about trading him for established players for a retool.

Let's be honest, due to contracts and or us needing to put a product on the ice Kopitar, Quick, Brown and Phaneuf are going nowhere. Kopitar and Quick were the only stars that showed up in the playoffs and I think they can still be at the top of their games for years to come. If Doughty has to be traded I would love to see a trade like above to address star quality depth.

Maybe I am not thinking clear after last nights punch in the face but I still believe in some of this team.
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If Tavares would sign here, I think it would be wiser to use Doughty’s budget to get him, assuming you trade Doughty and Toffoli at the draft. I’d take Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st from Toronto under those conditions. If Voynov can return maybe you trade Martinez at the deadline for futures, and here’s a theoretical 2019 roster.

Carter Kopitar Brown
Villardi Tavares Pearson
Kempe Kadri Lewis
Iafallo Amadio Brodzinski
Thompson, Clifford

Muzzin Voynov
Forbort Gardiner
Phaneuf LaDue
Clague

Quick
Campbell
 
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Ollie Weeks said:
Yeah I wouldn’t even qualify if thats where this is headed.
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Reider is an RFA at $2.5M per year. So I just used that plus the 10% qualifying. He might be a useful 3rd/4th liner but I wouldn't sign him for more than a year or 2. Even then, I wouldn't miss him much if they don't qualify him.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I think some of you guys underestimate how bad our defense is without Drew.

You don't trade Drew to stay competitive.
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I understand - but the armchair GM gurus around here are also saying signing him to the monster 8-year $90M deal means we'll also not be competitive. So if between that rock and that hard place - I'd trade Drew however reluctantly and crossing fingers and toes it will turn out right.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I think some of you guys underestimate how bad our defense is without Drew.

You don't trade Drew to stay competitive.
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Bingo.

Trading Drew means the rebuild has begun in earnest.

You don’t trade Drew to “save cap space” for Tavares. The Kings are f***ing doomed if they trade Drew while simultaneously attempting to stay competitive. That’s the absolute worst plan Blake can execute.

If you’re trading Drew, that means you’re also taking flyers on every core player. Trading Drew = full rebuild. Period.
 
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I think it’s over payment to sign Doughty $10m+ for 8 years at his age. Have we learned nothing as Kings fans that to overrate and be sentimental about your long time players is bad asset management in a cap league?
 
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I was all for of dumping Doughty after his meltdown in the Blackhawks game. But expecting an entire season of Game 2's, yeah....Kings are gonna be defensively quite bad. I think they'd actually be average defensively without Doughty, league wide, but when you don't have forwards scoring to make up for Doughty's loss, pretty brutal.
 
Kylo Ren said:
I don't where this is coming, it's amusing to say the least.
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I mean I guess for what it's worth that's not just a Kings board phenomenon. Lotta drive by comments about Drew not making a difference in the series etc.

Even within this series, 5% better than the best possession team in the league with drew on the ice, 10% worse than the worst with him off. We all saw the eye test confirm that as well.
 
DoktorJeep said:
I think it’s over payment to sign Doughty $10m+ for 8 years at his age. Have we learned nothing as Kings fans that to overrate and be sentimental about your long time players is bad asset management in a cap league?
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I don't think it's overpayment, if it's $10M thats going to be below the value set by the market. Whether it's smart or not is a different matter and it depends on what path the Kings choose. If they are just doing it to maintain ticket sales, it's beyond stupid. If they have a short term re-tool plan then by all means do it. I think most here just want them to commit one way or the other.

Both Kopitar and Doughty could certainly be traded in 3-4 years. Yes, they'll have big contracts but the cap will be increased so they will be a smaller percentage. Neither of their play is going to fall off a cliff, they both have attributes of guys who are effective late in their careers.

Personally, I resign Doughty and have a target of the 19-20, 20-21, and 21-22 seasons as a window to be back into contention. If things aren't looking like they are going to work out by 2021 trade Kopitar and Doughty, who will still hold solid value. Brown and Carter will only have a year or two left, Toffoli will likely have moved on, and Pearson will be hitting UFA. As long as the price isn't outlandish I don't think Doughty signing will hurt the rebuild as he's not going to be playing out that entire contract with the Kings anyways.

The main reason I think a retool is the best option right now is it's going to be difficult to completely wipe the slate clean compared to a few years down the road because of the reasons above. At that point you turn the team over to a young Vilardi, Clague, or whoever gets drafted/traded for and work towards a core of similar ages peaking around 2025-2029. Might as well take one last shot rather than have a few guys around that will do nothing but make draft positions worse.
 
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DoktorJeep said:
I think it’s over payment to sign Doughty $10m+ for 8 years at his age. Have we learned nothing as Kings fans that to overrate and be sentimental about your long time players is bad asset management in a cap league?
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There are simply no players on the roster destined for huge pay raises over the night few seasons. With the cap going up we can afford to pay Doughty $4 million more than he's making now. Getting the Green buyout of the books after next year and the Richards recapture penalty off the books in two years would pay for half of the increase.
 
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Yep--Drew gets to set the market. At least right now. The dude is nails, an all-around d-man that can help any team, and in comparison to the other dude who will be available, there aren't question marks about Drew's durability. You're getting an average of 80 games a season and the most minutes in the NHL in all situations. LA doesn't get to dictate a damn thing.
 
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Hoven was on NHL radio and guaranteed Doughty will stay in LA. He said their camp wants 14 million over 8 years and the Kings would like to be in the 12-12.5 range. He also mentioned having to trade Muzzin/Martinez or Toffoli/Pearson to make room.
 
SFKingshomer said:
Hoven was on NHL radio and guaranteed Doughty will stay in LA. He said their camp wants 14 million over 8 years and the Kings would like to be in the 12-12.5 range. He also mentioned having to trade Muzzin/Martinez or Toffoli/Pearson to make room.
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That wouldn't surprise me. If I was Doughty I would ask to be the highest paid player in the league.
 
SFKingshomer said:
Hoven was on NHL radio and guaranteed Doughty will stay in LA. He said their camp wants 14 million over 8 years and the Kings would like to be in the 12-12.5 range. He also mentioned having to trade Muzzin/Martinez or Toffoli/Pearson to make room.
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Bye Drew! His contract is going to be a royal screwing no matter who signs him. If it's the Kings they just went from top heavy to incredibly top heavy. Any other team will be getting Doughty in a trade, so they lose assets, then have to sign the ridiculous contract.
 
14M would be a tough pill to swallow.

That would give him the highest cap hit in the league over:

1. Connor McDavid 12.5M
2. Patrick Kane 10.5M
3. Jonathan Toews 10.5M
4. Carey Price Montreal Canadiens 10.5M
5. Jack Eichel / Anze Kopitar 10M
 
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