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verbalkint47 said:
I think it would be smart for Blake to pursue 1 or 2 trades like this. A struggling player with some pedigree, low-risk high-reward. He shouldn't be trading a 1st or 2nd or good prospect tho. Whether those other teams GMs would sell low however..
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Yeah, could claim someone like Scherbak and then proceed to play him in less than 10 games before waiving him again. ;)
 


A bullet point of what is mentioned:
- Don't expect a buy-out.
- Predicts both Jeff Carter and Jonathan Quick to be at training camp.
- The Kings have a need for a 2nd line center (with Carter shifting to RW), and a #2 defenseman.
 
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Bandit said:
Yeah, could claim someone like Scherbak and then proceed to play him in less than 10 games before waiving him again. ;)
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Sometimes it works out, most of the time it doesn't. As long as we don't give away any valuable assets I'm for it.
What's the worst that can happen? We finish with the 2nd worst record in the league haha
 
KINGS17 said:
Here you go Anze and Drew, but I suppose there is only ONE Tom Brady.

Brady isn’t even in the top ten highest paid quarterbacks. In fact, of the top ten, only three have won a Super Bowl. But when asked why he’s been willing to give up millions of dollars over the years, Brady had the perfect answer.

“I think the thing I’ve always felt for me in my life, you know, winning’s been a priority,” Brady said, “and my wife makes a lot of money.”

“It’s a salary cap,” Brady said. “You can only spend so much and the more that one guy gets there’s less for others. And I think from a competitive advantage standpoint, I like to get a lot of good players around me.”

Tom Brady gives the perfect answer for why he's paid less than other QBs

Please NHL owners, end the era of the guaranteed contract in the next CBA. The fans, otherwise known as the people who pay the bills, deserve better hockey.
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Brady's wife being worth $400 million is a MASSIVE factor in allowing Brady to take less money. Taking less purely for the sake of winning is a nice narrative, but it's far from the complete picture.
 
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I was just reading the latest LAKI post and I am dumbfounded by the team's perception of Forbort.

"Drew Doughty likes playing with Derek Forbort, and Forbort’s stick and ability to defend rush chances make him important amidst the rise in speed and skill".

I feel like he is the exact opposite, he lacks footspeed, struggles at making tape to tape passes, and is easily punished by speed/skill guys on the forecheck. All of the underlying analytics match the eye test, so I just don't understand what the team sees. The article was very blunt regarding many of the players, from Carter to Quick to Phaneuf, so I don't believe they are holding anything back.
 
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crassbonanza said:
I was just reading the latest LAKI post and I am dumbfounded by the team's perception of Forbort.

"Drew Doughty likes playing with Derek Forbort, and Forbort’s stick and ability to defend rush chances make him important amidst the rise in speed and skill".

I feel like he is the exact opposite, he lacks footspeed, struggles at making tape to tape passes, and is easily punished by speed/skill guys on the forecheck. All of the underlying analytics match the eye test, so I just don't understand what the team sees. The article was very blunt regarding many of the players, from Carter to Quick to Phaneuf, so I don't believe they are holding anything back.
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I haven't gotten the teams take on Forbort for 18 months now. He fizzled after the nice start he had and never got it back. I don't know if they are just in denial, trying to save face from exposing McNabb instead, or what the deal is. He's a great guy and maybe he's great in practice or something, but I just don't see it in games. He makes some good plays and some bad ones, he's just meh. To me he's the Nick Shore of defense.

That quote about the rush bothers me though. I always viewed that as one of his weaknesses. For every play he breaks up with his reach there's a play where he gets beat on the outside. He's atrocious at getting the puck out and his first passes are not nearly as good as they should be. I will give him this though - he's a fantastic penalty killer. He excels when he doesn't have to move a lot.
 
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Everything I’ve read/heard lately from insiders and press conferences indicates that there isn’t a market for vets that had crappy years. (surprise)

The Kings are stuck with Carts, Quick, and Toffoli on the roster this year. Phanuef likely too.

Hoven thinks JAD will be on the team.

It’s not gonna get interesting until next deadline.

The best to hope for is a resurgent year that ups trade values.
 
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DoktorJeep said:
I’ve always been in favor of pulling the plug versus the slow bleed out.
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And the hard cap says hello. How many plug pulls do you see around the league? You can't cheat the cap. Or you can, but only for so long. Get a productive guy on his ELC, and you sign him to a 500% raise, he's likely not going to give you 500% more in production. Give a guy fewer years, the cap hit is higher, which hurts depth. Try and lower the cap hit with term, and you're stuck with a guy longer. Try and trade someone before they have to get paid, the other team is going to know the contract issue too, and will need their own younger and cheaper players to offset the new big contract. Try and trade a guy when his value is high, when he's still relatively young, and in the middle of a great contract, and you're screwing yourself in the present.

You can pull the plug if you have a handful of big contracts that expire at the same time. Since that's sort of a rare situation, there's not much else to do other than kill time, and hope you lose for top picks to get some real talent, because nobody is going to trade you that kind of talent. If the contracts weren't guaranteed, and you could get rid of anyone that has gotten fat and lazy, that could lead to a different discussion, but that's not the reality of the league as it is today.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
And the hard cap says hello. How many plug pulls do you see around the league? You can't cheat the cap. Or you can, but only for so long. Get a productive guy on his ELC, and you sign him to a 500% raise, he's likely not going to give you 500% more in production. Give a guy fewer years, the cap hit is higher, which hurts depth. Try and lower the cap hit with term, and you're stuck with a guy longer. Try and trade someone before they have to get paid, the other team is going to know the contract issue too, and will need their own younger and cheaper players to offset the new big contract. Try and trade a guy when his value is high, when he's still relatively young, and in the middle of a great contract, and you're screwing yourself in the present.

You can pull the plug if you have a handful of big contracts that expire at the same time. Since that's sort of a rare situation, there's not much else to do other than kill time, and hope you lose for top picks to get some real talent, because nobody is going to trade you that kind of talent. If the contracts weren't guaranteed, and you could get rid of anyone that has gotten fat and lazy, that could lead to a different discussion, but that's not the reality of the league as it is today.
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Contracts don’t prevent trading Toffoli, Martinez, or Clifford. If two of those three had already been moved for futures, we’d be further ahead in the rebuild and it would signal pulling the plug.
 
Most teams didn't want term at the deadline. Muzzin and Montour were the only non-rentals traded. Now I'm too lazy to actually look that up, but that's what the front office said at the meeting with season ticket holders. They tried to get rid of some contracts but there weren't any other deals to be made.
 
cyclones22 said:
Most teams didn't want term at the deadline. Muzzin and Montour were the only non-rentals traded. Now I'm too lazy to actually look that up, but that's what the front office said at the meeting with season ticket holders. They tried to get rid of some contracts but there weren't any other deals to be made.
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Please refer to my avatar for my thoughts on this line of thinking.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
The Kings need to schedule exhibition games against Lithuania in order to get Kopitar’s mojo back before the start of the 2019-20 season.
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really says something when he'll willingly drive to the middle against an entire team if they're not an NHL team

dude needs a sport psychologist
 
DoktorJeep said:
Contracts don’t prevent trading Toffoli, Martinez, or Clifford. If two of those three had already been moved for futures, we’d be further ahead in the rebuild and it would signal pulling the plug.
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If Toffoli, Martinez, and Clifford are plug pulling level moves, then they've already started that process with Pearson and Muzzin. Nobody needs Clifford though. As a deadline rental, sure. He may have the logo tattooed on his butt, but he's just Kyle Clifford. You figure Toffoli is better than Pearson, and if you wait and see if he can have even a decent year, you can probably get more for him in a deal, and likely not too much less than what he could've been sold for this year. None of those guys are plug pulling to me though. Not even sure there is a plug at this point.

DoktorJeep said:
Please refer to my avatar for my thoughts on this line of thinking.
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Blake can't force other GM's to take anyone.
 
Fat Elvis said:
I'd be interested in seeing LA inquire about Jesse Puljujarvi. Thinking the cost is very low at this point and LA has an abundance of dmen in the cupboard. Not talking high end prospects or 2nd round picks. Like LaDue+3rd.. Too much, not enough? No interest?
Curious what others think, might be worth a gamble, maybe not.
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his hips scare me
 
johnjm22 said:
I think a deal could be worked out but EDM would probably want Toronto's 1st, something I think the Kings would be unwilling to do.

Oilers need help in all areas and have little cap space. I might offer something like a 2nd round pick and Toffoli at 50% retention for Puljujarvi.
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no thank you
 
LAKings88 said:
Everything I’ve read/heard lately from insiders and press conferences indicates that there isn’t a market for vets that had crappy years. (surprise)

The Kings are stuck with Carts, Quick, and Toffoli on the roster this year. Phanuef likely too.

Hoven thinks JAD will be on the team.

It’s not gonna get interesting until next deadline.

The best to hope for is a resurgent year that ups trade values.
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i agree with you except I could see a marker for Toffoli as he is in the final year of his deal.
 
Is it possible to place Phaneuf on unconditional waivers and pay his full salary the next two seasons instead of buying him out?
 
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