Post-Game Talk: "Pity Pardy" In Here - Jets lose 5-3

[JetsFan815]

Since coming to Winnipeg, Maurice has given massive amounts of undeserved icetime to:
Ondrej Pavelec
Michael Hutchinson
Mark Stuart
Chris Thorburn
Andrew Ladd

He plays favourites and everyone knows there's virtually no way that some players will play themselves out of a roster spot.

Agree with Pavelec, Stuart and Thorbs, disagree with putting Ladd and Hutch on that list. Hutch hasn't played enough games to tell one way or the other and while Ladd hasn't been dynamite he's still been okay. No NHL coach is going demote the captain without risking losing the room

 

[ICdave]

Topics: Playing catch up in the 1st period. Was it as simple as skating that got them back into the game? On the difficulty in passing the puck. Why was it important to go back to Hutchinson? Did they survive November?

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[Whileee]

I don't blame Hutch for any of the goals... would I have liked him having one or two of those? Yes. Were they "bad goals"? No. I don't remember too many juicy rebounds. He has only played a dozen games this season. Let's wait and see before writing him off, could be just a bad streak

Jets can't afford a "bad streak". Hutch just isn't making the saves they need. Landeskog goal was awkward. So was the 4th goal. Hutch loses his stick more than any goalie in the league - hard to stop a deke when your stick is behind your net. He just isn't cutting it right now. Period.

 

[Larabee]

Hmm, so harp on Maurice's career win percentage, but ignore Hutch's career save %? Interesting.

As Kingbogo pointed out, it's been almost a full season since Hutch has been above .900. Maybe he'll get it back, but it's just not there now for him. Time back in the AHL is the best thing for him right now. But this can't happen while Pav is on the IR...unless we bring someone else in.

 

[jiho]

It's like Maurice is coaching Peewee hockey and worried that Mrs Thorburn would come yell at him after the game if Chris did not get equal ice time.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Good:

-Colorado has really nice, friendly fans.
-Burmi was flying.
-Enstrom and Buff were solid.

Bad:

-Hutch was simply awful.
-Pardy
-Ladd is really labouring out there.
-Myers is elite at firing shots into shin pads.
-Pepsi Center has absolutely nothing on MTSC in terms of amenities (no wifi? no coat check?) and atmosphere (their concourse looks like a cheap suburban mall).

 

[Aavco Cup]

I don't blame Hutch for any of the goals... would I have liked him having one or two of those? Yes. Were they "bad goals"? No. I don't remember too many juicy rebounds. He has only played a dozen games this season. Let's wait and see before writing him off, could be just a bad streak

If we wait much longer we can start making popcorn for the draft lottery broadcast.

Hutch lets in early goal - check
Hutch lets in a breakaway goal - check
Hutch lets in a softie - check
Hutch lets in 4 goals a game - check

That's the book on Hutch.

 

[Positive]

Since coming to Winnipeg, Maurice has given massive amounts of undeserved icetime to:
Ondrej Pavelec
Michael Hutchinson
Mark Stuart
Chris Thorburn
Andrew Ladd

He plays favourites and everyone knows there's virtually no way that some players will play themselves out of a roster spot.

What? Ok that's dumb. Granted these guys are playing poorly right now, but last year 'since Maurice came to Winnipeg', Pavs and Hutch were .920 and .914, and Ladd put up 62 pts and we went to the playoffs.

Short term memory, holy.

 

[sipowicz]

I myself feel his accrued record before the Jets isn't really relevant. Different teams, different times.

Back-to-back on the road? Not an odd decision to split the starts. Helle wasn't spectactular yesterday and he didn't need to be. I could see any number of NHL coaches making the same decision. Howabout you, coach anything before? Timbits or Peewee even? You sound so knowledgeable.

This isn't about me, this is about a career .500 coach who fooled a lot of us for a season and a half into believing he was finally turning the corner on a mediocre coaching career. Too many bad decisions, another team in disarray, unearned loyalty to struggling underperforming players, reliance on weak assistant coaches, misjudging talent on last year's roster, insistence on sticking with systems that clearly weren't working.....should I go on.

 

[Whileee]

Jets crushed the Avs on the 5v5 CF% (59%). Major defensive gaffes, weak goaltending, too many penalties and a woeful power play are hurting the Jets.

 

[Positive]

As Kingbogo pointed out, it's been almost a full season since Hutch has been above .900. Maybe he'll get it back, but it's just not there now for him. Time back in the AHL is the best thing for him right now. But this can't happen while Pav is on the IR...unless we bring someone else in.

And it's been a full two years since Paul Maurice was a '.500 coach' (he's been better). So why are we bringing that up?

 

[Hhane Snidy]

Somebody tell Ladd that nobody is going to give him 6 mil a year

He's gonna wish he would have signed that contract this past summer. I like Ladd but he's looking like a third liner.

 

[Mud Turtle]

What? Ok that's dumb. Granted these guys are playing poorly right now, but last year 'since Maurice came to Winnipeg', Pavs and Hutch were .920 and .914, and Ladd put up 62 pts and we went to the playoffs.

Short term memory, holy.

Perhaps I should have made my point a bit clearer. I was trying to point out that Maurice has a tendency to give players too much rope, and when they hang themselves, he still puts their corpse onto the ice.

I'm not saying that Ladd has been bad since Maurice came to town. But he's been bad all this season. Somethings not right with him, yet Maurice continues to throw him out on the first line.

Hutch is in a really bad and long slump, but he was excellent for the first half of last year when Pavelec wasn't, yet Maurice insisted on giving Pavs chance after chance.

My point is, Maurice seems loyal to a fault, at least for some players.

 

[Gm0ney]

This is the most frustrating thing about Maurice... he doesn't use any intuition or gut feel... he just does what the book says to do. He's a fundamentalist old school coach.

I don't think he was going by any book here. Up until a couple of years ago, going with your starter both games in back to backs was more common.

I'm pretty sure Maurice thought the team had turned a corner in Minnesota plus Colorado sucks and they embarrassed us just last weekend - so that's not gonna happen again, right? - and Hutch needed to get going...and there you go.

Really that first breakaway goal - you don't see many breakaways in games that are shootout-clean like that...usually there's a defender on his heels or angling in to at least limit the forehand/backhand options.

The other breakaway he didn't have his stick. Why one of the defensemen didn't give it to him is a mystery - unless it was broken. Give Stafford that goal - he didn't clear the puck deep, missed it again at the line and didn't expend much effort to cover Soderberg. Then Stu turns a 2-on-1 into a breakaway. Watch it again - it's ****ing unbelievable!

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The fourth goal was an unlucky bounce off his own defender - kinda like Stu's goal on Hellebuyck yesterday.

Anyway, Hutch's current woes continue...I'm not really defending him here, because you'd like your goalie to make one of those saves, but he got hung out to dry tonight.

 

[Positive]

This isn't about me, this is about a career .500 coach who fooled a lot of us for a season and a half into believing he was finally turning the corner on a mediocre coaching career. Too many bad decisions, another team in disarray, unearned loyalty to struggling underperforming players, reliance on weak assistant coaches, misjudging talent on last year's roster, insistence on sticking with systems that clearly weren't working.....should I go on.

Should he give up on players as often as you give up on players and personnel then? We'd have no team, lol. And you know jack about systems, lol

 

[KingBogo]

Jets crushed the Avs on the 5v5 CF% (59%). Major defensive gaffes, weak goaltending, too many penalties and a woeful power play are hurting the Jets.

That pretty much sums it up in 2 sentences.

 

[Gm0ney]

As Kingbogo pointed out, it's been almost a full season since Hutch has been above .900. Maybe he'll get it back, but it's just not there now for him. Time back in the AHL is the best thing for him right now. But this can't happen while Pav is on the IR...unless we bring someone else in.

His first 7 games this season he was .928.

 

[garret9]

Yeah because he gave us the best chance to win right!?!

It's funny because I called out on this line of thinking before the game:

 

[Positive]

Perhaps I should have made my point a bit clearer. I was trying to point out that Maurice has a tendency to give players too much rope, and when they hang themselves, he still puts their corpse onto the ice.

I'm not saying that Ladd has been bad since Maurice came to town. But he's been bad all this season. Somethings not right with him, yet Maurice continues to throw him out on the first line.

Hutch is in a really bad and long slump, but he was excellent for the first half of last year when Pavelec wasn't, yet Maurice insisted on giving Pavs chance after chance.

My point is, Maurice seems loyal to a fault, at least for some players.

A bit fairer, after the clarification.

But what's he to do? He's managing his personnel. You encourage them and hope they can turn the corner, because you know they can be better. Because they have been better. You're loyal to some players because you hope they're loyal to you, and you try to build a relationship.

Say we demote Ladd to the 3rd or 4th line for a few games? We probably still lose those games. Does it send a message? Maybe. Was it one that produces a positive change? Maybe not. Does it make fans angry with Ladd happy? Sure, but that doesn't make our team any better.

And it's not as if we have an abundance of NHL ready players to jump in there who can produce 50+ points a year. The guys on the Moose are struggling.

 

[garret9]

Jets crushed the Avs on the 5v5 CF% (59%). Major defensive gaffes, weak goaltending, too many penalties and a woeful power play are hurting the Jets.

PK isn't THAT much better either... but ya.

 

[Moon Man]

Didn't mind PM starting Hutch, it was a back-to-back.

Hope he starts Helle next game.

 

[robertocarlos]

I'd demote Wheeler to the third line in place of Thorburn.

 

[Larabee]

His first 7 games this season he was .928.

He had a good start... but the last 6 games have been .859.

 

[robertocarlos]

Didn't mind PM starting Hutch, it was a back-to-back.

Hope he starts Helle next game.

I understand it. When is Hutch getting another chance? The b2bs?

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I'd demote Wheeler to the third line in place of Thorburn.

Gonna have to do better than that for Matthews.