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Friedman: Pittsburgh wants Buffalo’s NHL ready prospects

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Empoleon8771 said:
Rakell would be your leading your team in both goals and points.



Because Friedman didn't give any more specifics beyond what was posted in the OP.

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11. With all of the noise around the Penguins, I believe they have interest in some of Buffalo’s younger, NHL-ready prospects. It fits what they want.
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Buffalo has s loaded prospect system. Not just their top 45 picked players
On team-- power, Kulich, benson, peterka, quinn
F-- Helenius, Ostlund,, Wahlberg, Roseb, Poltapov
D- Kleber, strbak, Ryan Johnson
G Levi

but others in Kozak. Kisakov, sardarian, Ziemer, Mccarrhy, Ratzlaff, lo.arov, and others

They arent giving them away for free
Empoleon8771 said:
I could actually see Pettersson making some sense then, but it would have to come at the same time as a Byram trade for some forward help.

Maybe Pettersson with an extension for Rosen and a pick followed immediately by Byram for a 2nd line center or something like that. Run with Pettersson-Dahlin as your top pair and use Byram to fill the top-6 C (or W) opening.
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I dont ...peterson is not a right shooting Dman and hes a UFA at the end of the year

I do not srr BUF and PIT as good trade partners

BUF is looking for a RD and a mid 6 C.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
In their last game, the Sabres played Kulich (12 points in 33 games) and Kozak (1 point in 8 games) in their top-6. Even with Zucker healthy (seems like he was out), it seems like Buffalo only has 5 top-6 forwards between Thompson, Cozens, Tuch, Zucker and Peterka. And in Cozen's case, he's not really performing well as a top-6 guy.

I really struggle to see how Buffalo doesn't need another top-6 winger, or at minimum wouldn't pretty clearly benefit from getting another top-6 winger. It may not be top-4 defensive RD or 2C level importance, but it still pretty clearly looks like a massive hole to me.

IMO what they should do is that Cozens and Byram for Pettersson trade, bring in Rakell for futures and run with a Rakell-Pettersson-Tuch line. That looks like a damn good line to me and it leaves Zucker-Thompson-Peterka as their L2.
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Hey no need to be generous, that's only 3, max 3.5 top-6 forwards lol
 
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Turin said:
He is way more ready than Yager still. He’s been a ppg in his last 20 AHL games.
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I'm not contesting that he isn't. The guy I quoted replied that "Rutger was the one who thought he was NHL ready".

You have Rutger wanting to be on a team that would play him in the NHL, PIT now reportedly wanting "NHL ready prospects", and PIT playing Rutger out of camp before demoting him.

... Kinda supports the theory that they thought he was NHL ready when the traded for him and found out otherwise. Which would go against the statement that "Rutger was the one", implying that Dubas didn't share those thoughts.
 
TageGod said:
Rackell feels a little over the hump for the Sabres. As much as he seems useful this season he will be 32. 34 or 35 when contract expires. As a team trying to ENTER the playoff window he might be bad before we ever really compete.

My assumption is Ostlund or Rosen, and Ryan Johnson on defense (paws off hes mine).
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Outsider perspective...Rakell is exactly what Buffalo could use more of.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I said Pettersson with an extension in that deal. Not only that, but other Sabres fans have said Dahlin can slide to RD and allow Pettersson to stay on LD.
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I'm a sabres fan too..

They dont need another LD

They have byram, power, samuelsson, and they have ryan johnson who can play bottom pair now in LD
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
It's not really surprising that they're bottom 8 in spite of all those names... They were good, some of them great, at one time, but that time isn't now.

If you're really going for rock bottom to get an elite/generational talent, you pretty much have to go scorched earth like Chicago did in 2022 if you really want to ensure it.
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The Penguins aren't looking to do that. They're looking to do more of a rebuild on the fly rather than a full tear it down to the studs rebuild.

As far as EK and Jarry go....that was Dubas' attempt to give the core a kick at the can. When the Pens did terribly despite those moves Dubas hard pivoted last trade deadline towards the current course which is to add picks and prospects and young nhl ready players where possible. The Pens are no longer interested in veteran players as rentals or for longer term deals unless taking on those players brings the aforementioned assets with them (eg, they took on Hayes because they got a 2nd out of it).

If you want to know what Dubas' plan is, ignore what he did his first year and focus on what he's been doing since he traded Jake Guentzel and there's your answer.

Will it work? Is it smart? I guess time will tell with that. As a Pens fan I'm highly skeptical that Dubas can rebuild enough in time to make it matter for Crosby before he retires. I think the most likely scenario is they build a decent prospect pool/stable of young players but not enough to get them back to relevancy, and then Crosby retires, and then they bottom out anyways.

But you know, if Crosby wants to stay they're kinda stuck with this being as far as they can go with a rebuild anyways. He's not going to be forced out nor should he be. It's easy to say they should tear it down to the studs right now but if Sid doesn't want it then it's not happening anyways. Dubas is probably doing the closest thing to a rebuild that FSG/Sid/etc would allow him to.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I said Pettersson with an extension in that deal. Not only that, but other Sabres fans have said Dahlin can slide to RD and allow Pettersson to stay on LD.
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I would do your deal. I agree with the other poster that we are overloaded with LHD, but we currently don't have any that are particularly good defensively. I think putting him on the left with Dahlin would help unlock Dahlin's offense because he wouldn't need to be covering for a defensively inept partner all the time.

It doesn't solve our problem of lacking RHD, but it does potentially solve our problem of having no defense oriented D we can throw out there at the end of a game when we are up by 1.
 
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Team Cozens said:
Has Jarry really been that bad or has he been waived which helps facilities a trade to a team he might not want to go to.... I haven't checked if he has trade protection.
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Yes, he has trade protection. Specifically, he was a 12-team no-trade list. He could still be traded to over half the league, but that is enough protection that could feasibly prove to be a problem in a potential trade scenario.
qc14 said:
If the "NHL ready prospects" the Penguins got for Guentzel were Ponomarev, Lucius, and Koivunen, what do they really think they're getting back for Petterson or Rakell?
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One prospect that is on the level of Ponomarev, Lucius, and Koivunen, (for each of Pettersson and Rakell) rather than three such prospects.
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Pittsburgh flipping Yager for him and now reportedly wanting "NHL ready prospects" would kinda indicate that they also thought this, wouldn't it?
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Nope. It means they realized that at the worst, McGroarty could go to the AHL this season, whereas Yager wasn't eligible to do so. Yager will likely need to go to the AHL next season, and McGroarty will likely be NHL-ready next season.
StlBigFly said:
From a bird’s eye view there is

One team that has a serious need for a controlled veteran presence and they have a boatload of young prospects.

And

One team that has a serious need for young prospects and they have a boatload of veteran players.

I’m not a fan of either team but if I were the Sabres I would want to look at Rust. Is there room for a Rust for Quinn swap?

I can’t really process where the value is in that scenario…I’m not sure what the expectations are for Quinn…but I do know Rust has scored more than 2x as many goals this season and is cost controlled. Tuch Rust is a nice mix to stagger for top 9 wing. Let’s you do fun things with the other wings, mix n match to create diverse threats home/away.

Rust is controlled. Multiple years of term.

I know reports have said he isn’t moving but it’s my guess. Lock it in. If doobey doobey doo wants nice thing he’s going to have to part ways with nice things.

Can’t decide who has to add….i don’t think anybody has to….Quinn’s pedigree makes it tricky….if he weren’t such a high pick I’d be adding on Buffalo’s side, but he is…
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I think Rust would be perfect for the Sabres, as he's a veteran who's won a Cup (two of them, actually). I agree that his trade protection would be a problem, though.
 
OtherThingsILike said:
I think Rust would be perfect for the Sabres, as he's a veteran who's won a Cup (two of them, actually). I agree that his trade protection would be a problem, though.
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have no interest in Rust. He has 3 full yrs left on the downside of his career.

If buffalo is acquiring term vets it would ge in their latter 20s.
 
Mattilaus said:
I would do your deal. I agree with the other poster that we are overloaded with LHD, but we currently don't have any that are particularly good defensively. I think putting him on the left with Dahlin would help unlock Dahlin's offense because he wouldn't need to be covering for a defensively inept partner all the time.

It doesn't solve our problem of lacking RHD, but it does potentially solve our problem of having no defense oriented D we can throw out there at the end of a game when we are up by 1.
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The RD problem for the second pair can be easily solved in another deal, but as you said, this will solve the problem of a reliable defenseman, especially since Dahlin plays well at RD and he will not have to watch his partner, who does not play very well in defense. So Pettersson makes a lot of sense for us, the main thing is that he immediately signs an extension.
 
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Djp said:
Buffalo has s loaded prospect system. Not just their top 45 picked players
On team-- power, Kulich, benson, peterka, quinn
F-- Helenius, Ostlund,, Wahlberg, Roseb, Poltapov
D- Kleber, strbak, Ryan Johnson
G Levi

but others in Kozak. Kisakov, sardarian, Ziemer, Mccarrhy, Ratzlaff, lo.arov, and others

They arent giving them away for free


I dont ...peterson is not a right shooting Dman and hes a UFA at the end of the year

I do not srr BUF and PIT as good trade partners

BUF is looking for a RD and a mid 6 C.
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Big brain Time - Buffalo / Vancouver trade in the works with one of E. Pettersson or Miller on the move. PIT is in as a 3rd team somehow. Wants prospects to take on bad contracts, retain, send out guys like M. Pettersson, Rakell, even Karlsson or Letang.
 
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