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Believe me, I was going to explain the Lovejoy play in greater detail, but I hate writing on my phone and it gives me a headache, especially when I'm already flustered.

Just, nobody buy that explanation. It's honestly the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and it flies against EVERYTHING a defenseman is supposed to do in that situation. Complete and utter hogwash. Insulting.
 
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Wording a little misleading here. Not talking about Rutherford's future, but his immediate past.

Says JR's a good friend of his and is under a ton of stress to win immediately, which is why he blew up on Rossi. Also says the David Perron trade looks pretty horrible right around now. There's more, but I forget what.
 
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Wording a little misleading here. Not talking about Rutherford's future, but his immediate past.

Says JR's a good friend of his and is under a ton of stress to win immediately, which is why he blew up on Rossi. Also says the David Perron trade looks pretty horrible right around now. There's more, but I forget what.
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- That people have been dismissing Pittsburgh early on and talked about how good the Isles and Caps are, and Bob said "they have the same points" at the point in time.
- Injuries aren't an excuse. But take 3 of the top 4 D for both the Isles and Caps and they would be in the same spot the Pens are in. If we had all our D all the way, we could've challenged the Rangers for the Presidents Trophy.
- Crosby past his prime, and some are saying - that's it? Just one cup?
- JR wasn't brought in with a 5 year contract to build a team the way he wants. He was given 2 years and brought in to win a cup. He's done it before and the expectation when signing was that he try again/do it again.
- Perron trade looks terrible. But at the point of signing, he thought it was a great trade.
- Re: cap issues. It looks bad because of all the injuries at once. But the flip side is, if everyone stayed healthy, the questions would be - "you had this amount of cap space, why didn't you do something to put the team over the top?"
- No matter what, JR shouldn't have gotten into it with a reporter. Because you never come out on top.


I think it's true. If JR had space left to manoeuvre and didn't, there'd be complaints of a different kind. It's just tremendous bad luck that nearly every good decision he made at the time ended up badly. Both Ehrhoff and Perron trades were largely praised by most people.

No mention of Despres. lol.
 
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MM is full of ****.

All day, he's acknowledging they have no transition from the back end and no skill up front, but wonder out loud why they're playing chip and chase hockey.

Yohe was just on, and it's HILARIOUS at this point how they defend Lovejoy. "Well, Lovejoy is just a number five d-man being asked to play top pairing minutes..."

Really a-holes? I thought he was the tipping point in making the Pens a contender. Shouldn't they be wondering out loud right now why a top four d-man was traded for a guy who actually has to be insulated in order to be of use?
 

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MtlPenFan said:
MM is full of ****.

All day, he's acknowledging they have no transition from the back end and no skill up front, but wonder out loud why they're playing chip and chase hockey.

Yohe was just on, and it's HILARIOUS at this point how they defend Lovejoy. "Well, Lovejoy is just a number five d-man being asked to play top pairing minutes..."

Really a-holes? I thought he was the tipping point in making the Pens a contender. Shouldn't they be wondering out loud right now why a top four d-man was traded for a guy who actually has to be insulated in order to be of use?
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Meanwhile in Anaheim Despres played the second most minutes for them, Could go down as top 5 worst penguins trade.
 

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MtlPenFan said:
MM is full of ****.

All day, he's acknowledging they have no transition from the back end and no skill up front, but wonder out loud why they're playing chip and chase hockey.

Yohe was just on, and it's HILARIOUS at this point how they defend Lovejoy. "Well, Lovejoy is just a number five d-man being asked to play top pairing minutes..."

Really a-holes? I thought he was the tipping point in making the Pens a contender. Shouldn't they be wondering out loud right now why a top four d-man was traded for a guy who actually has to be insulated in order to be of use?
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Sounds like another scuds. So far LJ and Scuds to be effective, you have to find the perfect partner. I am sorry, but Bobby Orr could not make these two effective.
 
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Where I once would have given Rutherford an ‘A' for his work, I'd now give him a ‘C.' I was dead wrong on the Ben Lovejoy-Simon Despres trade. It looks hideous.
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http://triblive.com/sports/joestarkey/8227423-74/penguins-team-doesn#ixzz3YC9kmTgi

At least one media personality is admitting it.

Have to pick on the article some though...

How does Starkey not make the connection between him admitting Shero ****ed up by not drafting fwds, and the "two star model cracking again".

I just wish people used common sense.
 
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So Dejan now follows Full_Rossi on twitter. :laugh: Interesting how he seems to be fine with being made fun of only if Rossi's being made fun of more.
 
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systemsgo said:
- That people have been dismissing Pittsburgh early on and talked about how good the Isles and Caps are, and Bob said "they have the same points" at the point in time.
- Injuries aren't an excuse. But take 3 of the top 4 D for both the Isles and Caps and they would be in the same spot the Pens are in. If we had all our D all the way, we could've challenged the Rangers for the Presidents Trophy.
- Crosby past his prime, and some are saying - that's it? Just one cup?
- JR wasn't brought in with a 5 year contract to build a team the way he wants. He was given 2 years and brought in to win a cup. He's done it before and the expectation when signing was that he try again/do it again.
- Perron trade looks terrible. But at the point of signing, he thought it was a great trade.
- Re: cap issues. It looks bad because of all the injuries at once. But the flip side is, if everyone stayed healthy, the questions would be - "you had this amount of cap space, why didn't you do something to put the team over the top?"
- No matter what, JR shouldn't have gotten into it with a reporter. Because you never come out on top.


I think it's true. If JR had space left to manoeuvre and didn't, there'd be complaints of a different kind. It's just tremendous bad luck that nearly every good decision he made at the time ended up badly. Both Ehrhoff and Perron trades were largely praised by most people.

No mention of Despres. lol.
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This nonsense of having to sacrifice everything to win now has to stop. It's ****ing this org hard.

I've said it a number of times, Yzerman was 30 before he won his first cup. He was 37 when he raised his final cup and put up 23 in 23 during that run.

Malkin and Crosby have another 7-8 years of high level play left in them. They won't be the best in the league, but they will still be special players. They just need to be surrounded with actual talent like say, Kane and Toews are.

Being in a win now at all costs mindset makes an org think Despres for Lovejoy is a sound move. I really don't need to expand further TBTH.
 

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Mr Jiggyfly said:
http://triblive.com/sports/joestarkey/8227423-74/penguins-team-doesn#ixzz3YC9kmTgi

At least one media personality is admitting it.

Have to pick on the article some though...

How does Starkey not make the connection between him admitting Shero ****ed up by not drafting fwds, and the "two star model cracking again".

I just wish people used common sense.
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"And maybe it's unfair to compare anyone to Mario Lemieux, but even on nights when Lemieux's back was so bad he needed help lacing his skates, he found ways to make key plays. "

Lol these guys are such morons. Malkin and Crosby are no where near Lemieux. Maybe in terms of running a team they are just as inept, but not playing. The comparisons serve no purpose except for article whining for shallow analysis.
 
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DK's credibility took a huge hit for me recently with (1) defending JR against the Rossi situation and (2) this whole Lovejoy thing

He's shaping up to he a paid shill for the Penguins. A guy masquerading as an independent journalism, when in all reality he is just a messenger of the Penguins corporate / PR / spin machine.

It's even more hilarious when you consider people are paying money to read his content.

With ticket prices plummeting and ratings decreasing, the Pens are trying to do anything to stop the bleeding. Influencing guys like DK could very well be part of that strategy. Now that their bottom line is being impacted, it wouldn't surprise me to see a more aggressive PR / marketing strategy unfold.
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Exactly he's disgusting. It occurred to me for awhile this guy was writing whatever the penguins wanted. DK has no credibility. He should be paid by the penguins and as far as we know he very well is. The Despres trade exposed him fully though. Just expect more of the same from him now on.
 

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Mr Jiggyfly said:
This nonsense of having to sacrifice everything to win now has to stop. It's ****ing this org hard.

I've said it a number of times, Yzerman was 30 before he won his first cup. He was 37 when he raised his final cup and put up 23 in 23 during that run.

Malkin and Crosby have another 7-8 years of high level play left in them. They won't be the best in the league, but they will still be special players. They just need to be surrounded with actual talent like say, Kane and Toews are.

Being in a win now at all costs mindset makes an org think Despres for Lovejoy is a sound move. I really don't need to expand further TBTH.
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Yes bringing in JR in a ride or die 2 year run sounds like a disaster before it even happens. Half way through and I'd say it all ready is. What a mess.
 

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I'm not defending JR, because I think he's done his fair share of damage, but the fact that nobody seems to connect the dots that a Hell of a lot of our issues can be traced back to Shero is astounding.

Several atrocious signings in 2013; Scuderi, Kunitz, Dupuis, Adams, Bylsma. The "big return" for one of the most valuable assets traded in the last 5+ years was Brandon "Thank God For My Last Name" Sutter, a borderline NHLer in Dumoulin, and Pouliot.

We need to do a Hell of a lot better than both Shero and JR. We need a guy with the brains and insight to pinpoint the issues with this team (complacency, aging vets, no youth, slow, soft, top-6 wings) and the balls to make the tough decisions to go about fixing them. That's gonna mean moving a big piece (not Sid or Geno), and hurting the feelings of people who have become far too used to this ********, family first mentality. Who that guy is, I don't know, but we better go and find him this summer. The flock of idiots in our front office all need to go.
 
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systemsgo said:
- That people have been dismissing Pittsburgh early on and talked about how good the Isles and Caps are, and Bob said "they have the same points" at the point in time.
- Injuries aren't an excuse. But take 3 of the top 4 D for both the Isles and Caps and they would be in the same spot the Pens are in. If we had all our D all the way, we could've challenged the Rangers for the Presidents Trophy.
- Crosby past his prime, and some are saying - that's it? Just one cup?
- JR wasn't brought in with a 5 year contract to build a team the way he wants. He was given 2 years and brought in to win a cup. He's done it before and the expectation when signing was that he try again/do it again.
- Perron trade looks terrible. But at the point of signing, he thought it was a great trade.
- Re: cap issues. It looks bad because of all the injuries at once. But the flip side is, if everyone stayed healthy, the questions would be - "you had this amount of cap space, why didn't you do something to put the team over the top?"
- No matter what, JR shouldn't have gotten into it with a reporter. Because you never come out on top.


I think it's true. If JR had space left to manoeuvre and didn't, there'd be complaints of a different kind. It's just tremendous bad luck that nearly every good decision he made at the time ended up badly. Both Ehrhoff and Perron trades were largely praised by most people.

No mention of Despres. lol.
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sorry, but could you clarify, what is this from?
 
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The reality is JR and the AGM's took a stab at it this year. It just really failed miserably with alot of bad luck mixed in. Not just on defense but i'm looking at the offense this team needed/expected.

You have to look at the injuries because you just NEED to. Geno not 100%. Bennett playing with 2 knee braces. Those are the major ones. Both at 100% and you have 2 lines that can create/produce imo. Comeau gets a mention here too cuz he was awesome before he went down with the broken wrist.

After that you have to look at the 2 primary guys that needed to produce in Perron and Kunitz. Both went bone dry.

Sutter, Winnik, Downie, Spaling, Lapierre. There just wasn't enough secondary scoring with this bunch and this is the bunch that really needs upgrading other than Kunitz and Scuderi going the **** away.
 
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JR has at one point was doing great. If you remove the despres trade and the salary cap debacle at the end; I would have gave him a B+ at worst.

However you can't, so he's in the C-/D range. Just because the despres trade was that bad.


I don't fault him for the perron signing at all. 99% of the hockey world thought it was the greatest trade ever 3 weeks after it was made. Who knew how perron would fall off so bad.
 
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DK comes out hard against Pensblog's rumor:

Not so with the following information I received yesterday afternoon: The Penguins absolutely, positively, unequivocally have no plan to remove Jim Rutherford and/or Mike Johnston, regardless of how the season ends.

This comes straight from the top. No middleman. No room for misinterpretation.

What’s more, the team has no expectation that Rutherford, 66, will resign or retire.
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Not so subtle on the "why yes I do talk to Burkle" implication!
 
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Was there an HF member who called in to Madden yesterday around 4:30?

My commute home, depending which location I'm at that day, can be 15 minutes. I'll flip through the stations and see what the topics are.

A caller brought up he thought Morehouse had too much power, and Madden, as typical, got bent out of shape.

"Tell me what proof you have he has been involved in hockey decisions. He hasn't. I know he hasn't!"
 
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