Pittsburgh Sports Media Gibberish: Bombulie ‎to restore order @ the Trib

[zero8771]

That's a fictional tv show.

And not even one staged in present day.

But it's closer than many here will come

 

[TNT87]

DK wrote this on the Rossi situation.

"In this case, according to three team officials today, Rutherford received emails and texts from all through the Penguins’ organization — from high and low, even including players in the locker room that same night — praising him for his act because they, too, had issues with the factual nature of some of the reporting. There was even a feeling, one of those officials said, that the room was galvanized to push even harder to win the playoff series in support of Rutherford."

http://dkonpittsburghsports.com/2015/04/28/column-in-reality-rutherford-stronger-than-ever/

Looks like everyone rightfully hates Rossi.

THAT'S a reason to push harder in the playoffs because of some childish blowup? Good lord.

 

[Joejosh999]

this is true if we're talking hockey value. but for example move Crosby to Montreal and see how he beats the jersey-selling record... from and economical pov guys like Crosby or Malkin are worth the Sun and the Moon.

Montreal?
Dude they boo Crosby in Montreal. He's not French.
Toronto, ehh....maybe.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think some are missing a huge point in this discussion and that is the current state of the NHL. SUPERSTARS or FRANCHISE players simply don't have the value that they once did. Back in Mario's day, the difference between his production and average players was vast. Now??? Sid and Geno score 5-10 goals more and the same or a bit more assist wise.

This isn't circa 1992, the production in the current state of the NHL from superstars does not justify the amount of cap space that they eat up.

Is that why the last three cup finalists have had players like Zdeno Chara, Jarome Iginla, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Jon Quick, Tuukka Rask, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Rick Nash, Martin St. Louis, and Henrik Lundqivst on their roster?

 

[Coastal Kev]

Is that why the last three cup finalists have had players like Zdeno Chara, Jarome Iginla, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Jon Quick, Tuukka Rask, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Rick Nash, Martin St. Louis, and Henrik Lundqivst on their roster?

Is this a serious response??? Read what I stated and then take a look at the names you used to counter.


The point is Superstars Forwards do not hold the same value as they did 20 years ago. If you don't believe me, take a look at the scoring charts and list how many players are say 20 points near Sid or Geno. Or within 10 goals of them both.

 

[Winger for Hire]

Is this a serious response??? Read what I stated and then take a look at the names you used to counter.


The point is Superstars Forwards do not hold the same value as they did 20 years ago. If you don't believe me, take a look at the scoring charts and list how many players are say 20 points near Sid or Geno. Or within 10 goals of them both.

So the Penguins would be better without Sid/Geno, Blackhawks without Kane/Towes, Caps without Ovie/Backstrom?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Is this a serious response??? Read what I stated and then take a look at the names you used to counter.


The point is Superstars Forwards do not hold the same value as they did 20 years ago. If you don't believe me, take a look at the scoring charts and list how many players are say 20 points near Sid or Geno. Or within 10 goals of them both.

How many of those guys within that point range do that consistently?

 

[Mr. T]

DK wrote this on the Rossi situation.

"In this case, according to three team officials today, Rutherford received emails and texts from all through the Penguins’ organization — from high and low, even including players in the locker room that same night — praising him for his act because they, too, had issues with the factual nature of some of the reporting. There was even a feeling, one of those officials said, that the room was galvanized to push even harder to win the playoff series in support of Rutherford."

http://dkonpittsburghsports.com/2015/04/28/column-in-reality-rutherford-stronger-than-ever/

Looks like everyone rightfully hates Rossi.

His next column should be spectacular.

"How I Saved the Season: My Heroic, Gutsy, 11th Hour Miracle Play" by Rob Rossi

 

[Gurglesons]

Is this a serious response??? Read what I stated and then take a look at the names you used to counter.


The point is Superstars Forwards do not hold the same value as they did 20 years ago. If you don't believe me, take a look at the scoring charts and list how many players are say 20 points near Sid or Geno. Or within 10 goals of them both.

Every team that has won a cup in the last seven years has at least one top five player in each position.

LA - Quick + Doughty
Chicago - Toews + Kane + Hossa
Boston - Chara + Rask
Pens - Malkin + Crosby
Wings - Lidstrom + Zetterberg
Ducks - Getzlaf + Perry

Superstar players are important to a team's success in the post-season. You are dumb.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Every team that has won a cup in the last seven years has at least one top five player in each position.

LA - Quick + Doughty
Chicago - Toews + Kane + Hossa
Boston - Chara + Rask
Pens - Malkin + Crosby
Wings - Lidstrom + Zetterberg
Ducks - Getzlaf + Perry

Superstar players are important to a team's success in the post-season. You are dumb.

Yea I'm dumb except over half of the guys listed are not "superstars" or are goalies. LOL

Look at the scoring stats from this year and try your argument again. Of course you won't because you are obtuse.

Some people here know more than others, that would be me. I recently looked back at the organizations major moves the past few years and guess what I found. I have been proven to be right probably in the top 5% of this board. I also notice you spouting off disagreeing with my posts in those same threads.

If you want, I will take the time show you just how many times you have been proven wrong with your opinions. Try me

 

[Scotty Pucks]

Rossi tweet: Me to @MarkKaboly_Trib, 'So, who should I start writing about?' Must work on sentence structure, as my Duquesne students will find funny


Stop the presses. This clown... teaches... a class? What kind of school is Duquesne?! Yikes.

 

[T1K]

Damn Kev, how aren't you a GM yet?

Sure the league is changing and players like Sid and Geno don't have as great of an impact as they have in the past, but that's irrelevant. The reason you don't trade Geno or Sid is because they are consistently top 5 players. The other reason is because in a cap world you realistically won't be able to retain all of the players you return long term in that type of trade. In general, trades for superstars rarely pan out for the team trading the superstar. Also, Geno and Sid have pretty easy contracts to stomach when you compare them to Kane/Toews or what Stamkos will get.

But I'm sure you're right because you're the best poster this board has ever seen.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yea I'm dumb except over half of the guys listed are not "superstars" or are goalies. LOL

Who on that list is not a superstar? Zetterberg?

 

[Coastal Kev]

Damn Kev, how aren't you a GM yet?

Sure the league is changing and players like Sid and Geno don't have as great of an impact as they have in the past, but that's irrelevant. The reason you don't trade Geno or Sid is because they are consistently top 5 players. The other reason is because in a cap world you realistically won't be able to retain all of the players you return long term in that type of trade. In general, trades for superstars rarely pan out for the team trading the superstar. Also, Geno and Sid have pretty easy contracts to stomach when you compare them to Kane/Toews or what Stamkos will get.

But I'm sure you're right because you're the best poster this board has ever seen.

The reality of it is if my last name were Shero or Patrick, I probably would be. GM's aren't experts, they are guys who for the most part know somebody to get a start.

Would I be a great GM? No way to know. I do know that wouldn't have signed Erhroff, Scuds, Kuni, Duper or Adams. I wouldn't have traded Despres either and not one of those decisions are hindsight either, take a look at their coinciding threads.

 

[T1K]

But you'd trade Malkin or Crosby and that's a bigger mistake than all of those decisions combined.

 

[joeyjake5]

Trading Crosby or Malkin should never be out of the question. If you could get Backes, Oshie, Shattenkirk and some picks for Malkin, do it. If you don't like that return, wait for a better offer. If it betters the team, do it. Putting blinders on and saying I will never trade either one is foolish. Hockey is a team game and not for the benefit of either Crosby or Malkin.

If Edmonton gets the right offer for McDavid, They should do it.

 

[T1K]

I do like the STL trade that's been going around for Malkin. I'd do that. It just depends on the return, but in general I think trading one of Malkin/Crosby would be a mistake.

 

[Coastal Kev]

But you'd trade Malkin or Crosby and that's a bigger mistake than all of those decisions combined.

I disagree. If you get a tremendous package back, I would absolutely make the deal. I also would have moved Letang 2 years ago when his value was through the roof. Buy low, sell high, it works.

Can the Pens win with Big 3 staying together? Yes, but they have to find younger and cheaper compliments, ie develop talent. This is where the Pens have failed miserably, which is the reason they are where they are. A team in decline.

 

[Captain Hook]

I'm not a fan of the St. Louis trade. Backes reminds me of a Brenden Morrow type that's game will suddenly fall off a cliff sooner than later due to the way he plays the game. Oshie is solid but neither Oshie or Backes have a ton of term left. I just don't like a deal with those players as the key pieces.

Philosophically I don't believe in trading a player like Malkin. You never get fair value and it usually serves more as another step toward a rebuild than another step toward contending.

 

[Shady Machine]

I'm not a fan of the St. Louis trade. Backes reminds me of a Brenden Morrow type that's game will suddenly fall off a cliff sooner than later due to the way he plays the game. Oshie is solid but neither Oshie or Backes have a ton of term left. I just don't like a deal with those players as the key pieces.

Philosophically I don't believe in trading a player like Malkin. You never get fair value and it usually serves more as another step toward a rebuild than another step toward contending.

Any hypothetical trade involving Malkin that doesn't make this team younger is a stupid, pointless trade.

 

[MtlPenFan]

Stars have just as much relative value as they used to.

Individual scoring is down because scoring overall is down. If a team scores 400 goals in a season and a "star" accounts for 30% of his team's goals, he ends the season with 120 points.

If a team scores 300 goals in a season and a "star" accounts for 30% of them, he only gets 90 points.

A 90 point Art Ross player looks bad, but it doesn't change the fact that that particular individual's importance to his team is just as valuable even the his totals are down, because that has more to do with how the League is trending than the players themselves.

PGHEV, forgive me but aren't you the one who thinks having "enforcers" actually makes a difference in protecting your players?

 

[billybudd]

http://filesource.abacast.com/tribtotal/501PENS15.mp3

Roundtable with Mackey, Ken Laird and...idk who, I'm only a little ways in. Pretty interesting so far.

Thinks the Penguins are just pumping Kunitz ("He didn't play bad, he just didn't score!") and Bennett's ("He's not a crap player, we just rushed him out of the minors!") tires in the exit interviews and guesses (stressing guesses) they've given up on both of them, as well as Scuderi.

Also an interesting section where he talks about post-game interviews and availability. Acknowledges that he doesn't particularly care or expect his audience will care what Ben Lovejoy thinks about the game that just ended, but mentions that him, Scuds, 87 and, if he plays, Greiss are the only guys who consistently show up for the post-game scrum. Choices are to quote Lovejoy or an empty locker stall.

This came in the context of a question about Kunitz as a "cancer" in the locker room. Gist of the answer was "How the Hell would I know that? I haven't seen him interact with someone in 8 months."

I'll renew my objection to Kunitz shirking that duty. If you're an alternate Captain, that's part of your job. If you won't do it, give up the letter and let Greiss paint a damned A on his helmet.

Edit: strange comment from Yohe about Babcock. Says Pens won't be involved unless one of the owners does an end run around Morehouse with an eye to fire him, too.

 

[IcedCapp]

http://filesource.abacast.com/tribtotal/501PENS15.mp3

Roundtable with Mackey, Ken Laird and...idk who, I'm only a little ways in. Pretty interesting so far.

Thinks the Penguins are just pumping Kunitz ("He didn't play bad, he just didn't score!") and Bennett's tires in the exit interviews ("He's not a crap player, we just rushed him out of the minors!") and guesses (stressing guesses) they've given up on both of them, as well as Scuderi.

Also an interesting section where he talks about post-game interviews and availability. Acknowledges that he doesn't particularly care or expect his audience will care what Ben Lovejoy thinks about the game that just ended, but mentions that him, Scuds, 87 and, if he plays, Greiss are the only guys who consistently show up for the post-game scrum. Choices are to quote Lovejoy or an empty locker stall.

This came in the context of a question about Kunitz as a "cancer" in the locker room. Gist of the answer was "How the Hell would I know that? I haven't seen him interact with someone in 8 months."

I'll renew my objection to Kunitz shirking that duty. If you're an alternate Captain, that's part of your job. If you won't do it, give up the letter and let Greiss paint a damned A on his helmet.

I do think if Bennett is on the roster 6 months from now, it's for no other reason than recouping some value, a la Despres.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I do think if Bennett is on the roster 6 months from now, it's for no other reason than recouping some value, a la Despres.

Yeah, that's what I heard too.

 

[mpp9]

I could deal with Bennett being gone if Kunitz goes too.