Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: Everything is proceeding as I foreseen

[Empoleon8771]

Cost a pittance to qualify him. No reason not to qualify him unless they traded him instead. He was productive, healthy, and cheap to QO.

He is arbitration eligible, so yes there is. That is the same exact reason that Simon wasn't qualified, they were scared of what he'd get in arbitration. Considering that Kahun has a stronger case in arbitration than Simon, it's even more true with him.

You can say the same exact thing about Simon, but they still didn't qualify him. He was cheap to qualify as well, but they didn't do it because they didn't want to pay Simon more than they were comfortable with paying.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He is arbitration eligible, so yes there is. That is the same exact reason that Simon wasn't qualified, they were scared of what he'd get in arbitration. Considering that Kahun has a stronger case in arbitration than Simon, it's even more true with him.

You can say the same exact thing about Simon, but they still didn't qualify him. He was cheap to qualify as well, but they didn't do it because they didn't want to pay Simon more than they were comfortable with paying.

You can't say the same about Simon because he's not healthy or nearly as productive.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You can't say the same about Simon because he's not healthy or nearly as productive.

Production here is totally irrelevant. Again, we're not talking about how YOU feel about these players. We're talking about how the team feels about these players.

There is zero reason to believe that they would have treated Kahun somehow differently than how they treated Simon. They didn't qualify Simon because they were scared of what he'd get in arbitration, they didn't want to risk Simon getting a high reward in arbitration when they were tight against the cap. Why would they qualify Kahun, when they appear to not like Kahun as much as Simon and when Kahun is a bigger risk of getting a big return in arbitration? You're not thinking logically at all here, you're talking with all emotion.

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Here are some more facts about Kahun:

1. He played less per game in Pittsburgh (13:27) than Simon (14:24)
2. They traded him for a pending UFA 3rd line winger and a malcontent having a bad season
3. Kahun had as many games below 10 minutes as he had games above 16 minutes
4. Kahun was healthy scratched for the Penguins last year, including after a game where he had a goal and 3 points in only 8:45 TOI

What is there that suggests the Penguins would have kept him? They obviously were never that high on him. You can definitely argue that they wasted him with how they used him, but they obviously never liked him that much. If they're not qualifying Simon, who they appear to like a lot more than Kahun, why does anyone think they would have qualified Kahun? They would have either traded him for a pick or not qualified him in fear of what his arbitration result would have been.

What rebuttals do you have to this post?

 

[Riptide]

Cost a pittance to qualify him. No reason not to qualify him unless they traded him instead. He was productive, healthy, and cheap to QO.

The issue isn't his QO... it's that they can't control his contract. He could go to arbitration and get 1m or he could get 2.5m... and Pittsburgh cannot afford 2.5m.

 

[Shockmaster]

With the current cap situation, there's no way the Penguins can afford to pay what Simon could be awarded in arbitration for how little he produces.

 

[mpp9]

Of course we'd be complaining about not keeping Simon.

The supporting cast needs dismantled. I'll take what I can get.

 

[Riptide]

Of course we'd be complaining about not keeping Simon.

The supporting cast needs dismantled. I'll take what I can get.

We also need a supporting cast that has some skill and can do something with the puck. That doesn't exactly describe many of the depth forwards we have. If we had someone like Kahun or the like then we wouldn't be missing Simon.

 

[mpp9]

We also need a supporting cast that has some skill and can do something with the puck. That doesn't exactly describe many of the depth forwards we have. If we had someone like Kahun or the like then we wouldn't be missing Simon.

I'm cool seeing what other RFAs/UFAs fall through the cracks. This is a very unique free agency. If we don't land someone there or via a return for Murray, play Poulin. If he doesn't work, trade a pick for a depth forward during the season like we always do anyway.

Don't disagree we will need help in the bottom six to contend again.

 

[Ryder71]

I sure hope he-who-shall-not-be-name does not come back.

I can't believe this is even a remote possibility. We're fine with Jarry and Desmith. And IF we needed a back up for whatever reason, we could pick up one near the TDL with relative ease. I just don't understand the point of this, I really don't.

 

[ChaosAgent]

We also need a supporting cast that has some skill and can do something with the puck. That doesn't exactly describe many of the depth forwards we have. If we had someone like Kahun or the like then we wouldn't be missing Simon.

They made an idiotic move with Kahun, but it's not worth chasing Simon to make up for it.

At the end of the day, I really liked parts of Simon's game (namely, puck handling and hockey IQ) but he had some obvious flaws and his inability to produce without Crosby was an indictment of his game.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Production here is totally irrelevant. Again, we're not talking about how YOU feel about these players. We're talking about how the team feels about these players.

There is zero reason to believe that they would have treated Kahun somehow differently than how they treated Simon. They didn't qualify Simon because they were scared of what he'd get in arbitration, they didn't want to risk Simon getting a high reward in arbitration when they were tight against the cap. Why would they qualify Kahun, when they appear to not like Kahun as much as Simon and when Kahun is a bigger risk of getting a big return in arbitration? You're not thinking logically at all here, you're talking with all emotion.

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Because...

1) Kahun did not sustain a major injury
2) Simon played in a top 6 spot that has since been designated by JR himself as being KK's to lose.

Your post also failed to mention that Sheary - the "UFA 3rd line winger and malcontent" was picked up specifically to play with Crosby.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The issue isn't his QO... it's that they can't control his contract. He could go to arbitration and get 1m or he could get 2.5m... and Pittsburgh cannot afford 2.5m.

Yes they could.

 

[Ryder71]

What about Murray for Saad with some retention and a pick

use that pick to ship off jj

We desperately need a third line center, LW is arguably our deepest position. Where's Saad gonna play? I don't want to move Jake or Jason out of their preferred positions when we have a more glaring need somewhere else.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

It probably very unlikely as I dont think Saad is leaving but Saad can play the RW

We desperately need a third line center, LW is arguably our deepest position. Where's Saad gonna play? I don't want to move Jake or Jason out of their preferred positions when we have a more glaring need somewhere else.

 

[Ryder71]

It probably very unlikely as I dont think Saad is leaving but Saad can play the RW

RW is pretty deep also. I like Saad, but 3C and getting rid of JJ should be our top priorities here.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

RW is pretty deep also. I like Saad, but 3C and getting rid of JJ should be our top priorities here.

Wont argue that, I have also been vocal that Pettersson scares the crap out of me in the top 4. Really hope things begin to click with him

 

[Gurglesons]

Kahun has apparently become Sprong 2.0.

 

[Ryder71]

Kahun has apparently become Sprong 2.0.

Kahun and Simon were good at maintaining possession. I think with both out of the line up we didn't seem to have the puck as much. They weren't prone to turnovers either. They were reasonably solid in that aspect of the game.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Kahun has apparently become Sprong 2.0.

One is good though

 

[Gurglesons]

One is good though

Sure. Kahun was a nice piece, but he is a dime a dozen and going to get paid now.

He’s not a championship caliber top nine winger. He’s basically Conor Sheary.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

One is good though

I won't stand idly by and listen to you disparage Kahun like that.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Kahun was a useful player.

We traded him for a combination of nostalgia, nepotism and throw-sh1t-at-the-wall. Who won't be here in a month.

And no, I don't believe he did any better with Sid & Jake than Kahun would have. Or that Horny or any number of players would have. Sid & Jake are great players and great together. They don't need their binky Conor to succeed.

I mostly rue the loss of Kahun because bringing back Sheary was a bad decision and a small case study in this organization's flaws. The fact that he got to tag along and fall down on L1 in the playoffs and L1 did pretty good means nothing to me.

Perhaps we could have used Kahun as a sweetener to get rid of JJ now. C

 

[Gurglesons]

Kahun was a useful player.

We traded him for a combination of nostalgia, nepotism and throw-sh1t-at-the-wall. Who won't be here in a month.

And no, I don't believe he did any better with Sid & Jake than Kahun would have. Or that Horny or any number of players would have. Sid & Jake are great players and great together. They don't need their binky Conor to succeed.

I mostly rue the loss of Kahun because bringing back Sheary was a bad decision and a small case study in this organization's flaws. The fact that he got to tag along and fall down on L1 in the playoffs and L1 did pretty good means nothing to me.

Perhaps we could have used Kahun as a sweetener to get rid of JJ now. C

Sheary was our best winger in the playoffs. So obviously wasn’t a bad move.

Also, using Kahun as a sweetener for JJ makes no sense because that means a team would be adding 6+ mil.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Sheary was our best winger in the playoffs. So obviously wasn’t a bad thing.

Well gee, if that's so obvious why didn't we bring him back and instead target Kapanen?

Since he has approximately 0 value (less than Kahun), we could have brought him back for nothing.

I guess the offeseason is still young.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well gee, if that's so obvious why didn't we bring him back and instead target Kapanen?

Since he has approximately 0 value (less than Kahun), we could have brought him back for nothing.

I guess the offeseason is still young.

I’m not sure what this argument is. Kapanen is super young still and obviously the management thinks they can get more out of him than the Leafs could.

Sheary is old and likely is what he is. That doesn’t change the fact he was a fine acquisition.