Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap: Summer League Extravaganza

[Peat]

Actually - just thought of this - but most of us are costing 23 man rosters, right?

Is there any actual reason to do that? We don't need 23 guys up at all times. Lafferty and POJ (theoretically) give us 14F and 8Ds that can go up and down without waivers. I know it doesn't save us much but it's still a little.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

How bout a top 9 RH winger who is fast and responsible? Maybe... Jesper Fast?



How bout a top 9 RH winger who is fast and responsible? Maybe... Jesper Fast?



How bout a top 9 RH winger who is fast and responsible? Maybe... Jesper Fast? I think he can do both wings.



In my current ArmChair GM cap situation I was "able" to get rid of Bjugstad for picks to a team that has a low percentage of their cap to forwards and could use a RH C/W (NJ). And then I looked for a team that could use a "veteran" defenseman in place of a forward on a bad, shorter term contract. I used ERod to sweeten that deal. Which ended up being JJ+ERod+a lower Devil's pick to Detroit for Luke Glendening.

I used the Hockey Reference player comparison tool and compared Rust, Tanev, and Fast. Fast's next contract, to me, seems like it'll be just above what Tanev got. I ended up doubling his current salary and got a cap hit of $3.7m/year.

For your RFA re-signings, I have no clue what McCann'll get. That's likely dependent upon the years of the contract. Riikola, I believe, is as good as gone. Regardless, I believe he or his replacement will have about the same cap hit as Riiko has this year. Jarry will also likely dependent upon his years and if Murray is still here. Angello and Lafferty will likely take league minimum, or close to it, with a highly increased AHL salary. Edit: No way do I think Simon gets close to $3m. $2m max, but I think he's around $1.6m.

Given: Yohe's recent reporting that the team thinks POJ is close, the team wants a bottom pairing player who can play both sides of the d-pair, and the list of players mentioned -- I ended up signing Michael Del Zotto to a one year $1m deal.

While I kept Murray, I've got something quite similar to you:

Guentzel-Crosby-Fast
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
Simon-McCann-Hornqvist
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev
Glendening-Simon

Dumoulin-Letang
Petersson-Marino
Del Zotto/Riikola/Ruhwedel

Murray-Jarry

And I kept Murray because I don't believe Seattle would be able to pass up one of the Pens goalies. That way they'd be able to keep a stacked forward lineup without having to send picks or prospects to protect any unprotected players.



Yes, I think I'd go as high as $4m for Fast.

Michael Del Zotto? The bloke that harassed porn-stars on twitter?

Lol, piss off.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Actually - just thought of this - but most of us are costing 23 man rosters, right?

Is there any actual reason to do that? We don't need 23 guys up at all times. Lafferty and POJ (theoretically) give us 14F and 8Ds that can go up and down without waivers. I know it doesn't save us much but it's still a little.

We roll 30 deep, mate.

Keeping UPMC afloat and comfortable with cash since 2003.

 

[PensandCaps]

You're laughing because that'd be good or bad?

it'd be awesome.

wed have to lose tanev though. with Killorns contract.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

How bout a top 9 RH winger who is fast and responsible? Maybe... Jesper Fast

Not for me. Nothing against Fast - who could be a nice fit on 1RW - but my main priority for that spot is someone who can also be a legit PP presence on the left wall.

I don't think that happens this off-season. I think we can make due with what we have in the top 6 and see what shakes out until next deadline.

 

[T1K]

Actually - just thought of this - but most of us are costing 23 man rosters, right?

Is there any actual reason to do that? We don't need 23 guys up at all times. Lafferty and POJ (theoretically) give us 14F and 8Ds that can go up and down without waivers. I know it doesn't save us much but it's still a little.

We’d want 23 up at all times in case someone tests positive for COVID. Of course by the time next season rolls around that might not be an issue, but given the current state of the virus that’s absolutely a consideration.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Hm. I don’t know if I agree with that.

Yeah, but your lord and savior, Michael Jedidiah Sullivan, does.

 

[Rakell67]

We’d want 23 up at all times in case someone tests positive for COVID. Of course by the time next season rolls around that might not be an issue, but given the current state of the virus that’s absolutely a consideration.

Next season, if the AHL season is canceled (it was canceled rather quickly this year), would the NHL allow teams to carry 30 or so players for injuries but only count 23 against the cap? Like a practice squad?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

We’d want 23 up at all times in case someone tests positive for COVID. Of course by the time next season rolls around that might not be an issue, but given the current state of the virus that’s absolutely a consideration.

Next season, if the AHL season is canceled (it was canceled rather quickly this year), would the NHL allow teams to carry 30 or so players for injuries but only count 23 against the cap? Like a practice squad?

There might be ways around having someone with the NHL team and sending them down to the AHL. I don't actually know the protocol that has to be followed when someone is sent down. Do they immediately have to pack their bags and drive to WBS? Or can they stick around for a while?

 

[Peat]

There might be ways around having someone with the NHL team and sending them down to the AHL. I don't actually know the protocol that has to be followed when someone is sent down. Do they immediately have to pack their bags and drive to WBS? Or can they stick around for a while?

They can stick around - there's been a few paper send downs who never left Pittsburgh - they just can't practice with the team or anything like that.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

They can stick around - there's been a few paper send downs who never left Pittsburgh - they just can't practice with the team or anything like that.

Sounds like that may be the way to go. Especially since these younger players can gain a decent bit from the off ice training sessions and lessons from the coaches and others in the organization.

I think there was a team that was doing this this season... I'll have to look it up.

 

[Peat]

Sounds like that may be the way to go. Especially since these younger players can gain a decent bit from the off ice training sessions and lessons from the coaches and others in the organization.

I think there was a team that was doing this this season... I'll have to look it up.

I know the Flyers opened the season with twenty guys on the roster, but I dunno how long that lasted or what the other guys were doing. I wouldn't be surprised if Toronto did a bit of it.

I imagine at least one team is batting around the idea of running with 21 players and telling the spare guy to be ready to play both F and D - like we were doing with Riikola a bit.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I know the Flyers opened the season with twenty guys on the roster, but I dunno how long that lasted or what the other guys were doing. I wouldn't be surprised if Toronto did a bit of it.

I imagine at least one team is batting around the idea of running with 21 players and telling the spare guy to be ready to play both F and D - like we were doing with Riikola a bit.

Pretty sure it was Vegas with Nicolas Roy that I was thinking of. However, it looks like he played a decent amount of games in the AHL.

Edit: yes that is who I was thinking of: How the Golden Knights' AHL-NHL shuffling illustrates one way teams can bank cap space for deadline day - TheHockeyNews

 

[Rakell67]

There might be ways around having someone with the NHL team and sending them down to the AHL. I don't actually know the protocol that has to be followed when someone is sent down. Do they immediately have to pack their bags and drive to WBS? Or can they stick around for a while?

I’m saying what if there were to be no AHL, just like minor league baseball was canceled yet MLB is supposed to have a shortened season. How would you fill in for injuries.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I’m saying what if there were to be no AHL, just like minor league baseball was canceled yet MLB is supposed to have a shortened season. How would you fill in for injuries.

Likely what they're doing now (black aces squad). Not sure how that'd work cap-wise though.

 

[Khelandros]

Not for me. Nothing against Fast - who could be a nice fit on 1RW - but my main priority for that spot is someone who can also be a legit PP presence on the left wall.

I don't think that happens this off-season. I think we can make due with what we have in the top 6 and see what shakes out until next deadline.

Left wall isn't an issue.
Jake - X - Crosby
Letang - Malkin

Hornqvist is the X now, but he is the one they would be looking to replace.

 

[Andy99]

What a flat salary cap in 2020-21 means for the Penguins

 

[Peat]

What a flat salary cap in 2020-21 means for the Penguins

I like how they think Rutherford will have gone from refusing to trade JJ for negative value last off-season despite having to do numerous contortions around the cap to being willing to buy him out this after a better season.

I guess now is as good a time to change as any but so far Rutherford's pretty much refused to just dump players. So basically, either Murray goes and we're fine, or Jarry goes and Rutherford performs magic, or they both stay and Rutherford does something crazy.

Incidentally, the crazy - which this article omitted - is probably trade Letang. If he doesn't look Norris level through any playoffs, prepare to hear a lot about that.

 

[Andy99]

I like how they think Rutherford will have gone from refusing to trade JJ for negative value last off-season despite having to do numerous contortions around the cap to being willing to buy him out this after a better season.

I guess now is as good a time to change as any but so far Rutherford's pretty much refused to just dump players. So basically, either Murray goes and we're fine, or Jarry goes and Rutherford performs magic, or they both stay and Rutherford does something crazy.

Incidentally, the crazy - which this article omitted - is probably trade Letang. If he doesn't look Norris level through any playoffs, prepare to hear a lot about that.

Yeah, the article was a little unrealistic about some players...I could see Letang traded in general but I think this year especially is going to be hard to trade players making a good salary without retaining salary. Pens in the past have been reluctant to retain salary. I could see Letang traded next season if Marino continues to show he’s the real deal but they’d still need a second pair RD level player. That player rn is not on the books and who knows if any RD prospect has a chance to make the club...for that reason I think it’s unlikely

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I still don't buy it's JR that's making sure JJ stays.

 

[Peat]

Yeah, the article was a little unrealistic about some players...I could see Letang traded in general but I think this year especially is going to be hard to trade players making a good salary without retaining salary. Pens in the past have been reluctant to retain salary. I could see Letang traded next season if Marino continues to show he’s the real deal but they’d still need a second pair RD level player. That player rn is not on the books and who knows if any RD prospect has a chance to make the club...for that reason I think it’s unlikely

A good Letang trade would be a horrible dumpster fire to figure out at this point but, since they made me think about a few things I'd sorta half-thought about when they talked about trading Hornqvist, I started thinking about whether the team would. It's not like we haven't had rumours that they might. I doubt a flat cap makes them less likely to think about it. I don't think it's happening or that it should, but if we're going to talk every option the Pens have for getting out of any troubles this summer, it's not much more out there than Hornqvist if any.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Still don't trust Petts to be on the 2nd pairing moving forward. Definitely don't trust him to eventually grow into a top pairing guy alongside Marino in a few years.

That 2LD spot and the 1RW spot are the two biggest issues I can see for the team. We have some deadweight or bad fits to remove, but those two aforementioned spots are really the only areas of concern that need additions, imo.

Damn close to a perfect team, but the issues are relatively big ones, I think.

 

[Andy99]

A good Letang trade would be a horrible dumpster fire to figure out at this point but, since they made me think about a few things I'd sorta half-thought about when they talked about trading Hornqvist, I started thinking about whether the team would. It's not like we haven't had rumours that they might. I doubt a flat cap makes them less likely to think about it. I don't think it's happening or that it should, but if we're going to talk every option the Pens have for getting out of any troubles this summer, it's not much more out there than Hornqvist if any.

Hornqvist is age-salary-term-and-position all combined...that’s why I see him as more likely than Letang (not that I think there’ll be a market for either one at their salary)...he’s a forward and their prime tends to be earlier for one...also (not saying there’s a replacement for what he does on the Pens), it’s easier to find a younger replacement in general for forwards than for a #1 D man, and one who can still skate, and who generates so much offense from it...to that extent, I can see why Horny was suggested over Letang...but no way will the Pens ask him to waive his NTC...he’s earned it...he’ll be here next season and he’ll likely be exposed to Seattle and more likely to be traded after that, assuming League revenues bounce back a little..

 

[Peat]

Hornqvist is age-salary-term-and-position all combined...that’s why I see him as more likely than Letang (not that I think there’ll be a market for either one at their salary)...he’s a forward and their prime tends to be earlier for one...also (not saying there’s a replacement for what he does on the Pens), it’s easier to find a younger replacement in general for forwards than for a #1 D man, and one who can still skate, and who generates so much offense from it...to that extent, I can see why Horny was suggested over Letang...but no way will the Pens ask him to waive his NTC...he’s earned it...he’ll be here next season and he’ll likely be exposed to Seattle and more likely to be traded after that, assuming League revenues bounce back a little..

If you're picking solely from the roster today based on last season, I agree.

If you're going by rumour, by trade restrictions, by possible fears of what comes next... I think Letang is as likely as Hornqvist, yeah. I don't think it's a good idea, but the guy the team might be thinking about trading who they can trade is at least as likely to go as the guy nobody knows what the team is thinking and who can't be traded unless he wants.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Left wall isn't an issue.
Jake - X - Crosby
Letang - Malkin

Hornqvist is the X now, but he is the one they would be looking to replace.

Love Guentzel but I've yet to see him or the Pens PP thrive with him on the left half wall.