AverageJoeFan
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He doesn't have a couple of years. Next year is it. Thankfully at least a couple of the posters knew next year is NHL or bust. Since he started playing in 15-16 it started the clock. We are running out of time with him.
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Mr Jiggyfly
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I think Sheary being in the lineup bumbling around is the biggest wtf reason I can think of with it being a silly double standard with Sprong.
The org is trying to humble him in my opinion. Is what it is.
AverageJoeFan
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I think you could be right, but...why. Confidence is a HUGE part of success in the NHL I think. Let him be cocky if he can back it up.
Mr Jiggyfly
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It rubs certain people the wrong way, like the coach. All I really know is they didn't really even want him up in Dec but were desperate for goals.
Maybe once things got going and the team was doing well, Sullivan looked for reasons to send him back. No idea.
He has to play a complete game, blah blah. Like Sheary, you know?
AverageJoeFan
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Yeah, TBH I'm not sure I could have ever predicted Sheary would be this....crappy
Confidence is huge, but arrogance can be annoying. I follow him on IG and a lot of his posts strike me as the type of guy to have a bit of an abrasive/arrogant personality. Not saying that is necessarily bad, or true. I'm just speculating that, as you both have said, that could be the issue. Speculating being the key word there. Maybe, hopefully, they are just trying to humble him, make him fall in line a bit. I doubt they have it in for the guy, they know he has talent and it's in everyone's best interest for him to work out.
Mr Jiggyfly
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I've heard enough that it seems like he may be a touch arrogant, but if arrogance determined where you should play, Lemieux would have played for the Tallahassee Warthogs.
Obviously Sprong doesn't have the all-time talent to make coaches put up with it like Lemieux did, however.
I get wanting him to be knocked down a peg I guess, but I doubt his personality is going to change.
Coastal Kev
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Serious question that I want a serious response from everyone, choose what you think would be the most productive option:
1). Jake- Sid- Sheary
2). Jake- Sid- Rust
3). Jake- Sid- ZAR
4). Jake- Sid- Sprong
5). Jake- Sid- Simon
I'm going with #4, wouldn't mind #3 and the rest aren't even close.
1). Jake- Sid- Sheary
2). Jake- Sid- Rust
3). Jake- Sid- ZAR
4). Jake- Sid- Sprong
5). Jake- Sid- Simon
I'm going with #4, wouldn't mind #3 and the rest aren't even close.
AverageJoeFan
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I think you're right to an extent. As a person, he probably won't change much. Although If he really has that kind of personality then trying to get him to fall in line will likely only make things worse. On the other hand, he is still young and most likely will mature so he's certainly not a lost cause in that regard either.
Whatever the hell it is, lets hope everyone figures it out sooner than later.
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It's kind of a loaded question.
Jake-Sid-Sprong would probably produce the most but get scored on alot, just like Jake-Sid-Sheary did.
A good blend is the Rust/ZAR lines and since i hate Rust with Sid,
Jake-Sid-ZAR is the best trio there for me.
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The thing is, the team knew what they were getting into when they drafted him. The whole reason he fell was because of his lousy interviews. He had a reputation of being a bit cocky, warranted or not. What did they expect? That they were going to "change him"? The way the team is treating this just rubs me the wrong way. They knew what they were getting into.
AverageJoeFan
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Meh I am done with wishing for now. My mother always said wish one hand and shit in the other.
Le Magnifique 66
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No offensive skills and not that good of a skater
Will never play in the NHL
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It's stupid though.
Don't preach about wanting swagger in your team's culture and then chastise a player with stupid usage for having that swagger and confidence. He's f***ing talented, he knows he is, he's got a lethal shot and he's not afraid to use, so what does the team do? Confuse the f*** out of him for how to play "HIS GAME" and then punish him for it like he did something wrong. That is wrong behavior, absolutely wrong.
Crosby can throw no look passes to the ghosts of yesteryear or whomever he's passing to, Geno can try to deke through the entire team and his own players and then lose the puck and dog it back, Kessel can hold the puck too long and never pass it to the open guy and then skate off all angry at himself and then you have Sheary who falls literally everywhere, like he probably just fell right now, in his bed, by himself, and yet Sprong is the guy they chose to punish for what?
I think most just feel trading him is best so he can still have a good career and we could get something for him before he's ruined. I guess we now know how it feels to be an Oiler fan with prospects.
JimmyTwoTimes
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I think they were expecting him to perform well enough to warrant overlooking it. So far he hasn't. Maybe he's had less chances than he deserves because of the cockiness but its not like he was sent down while performing.
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Dude's only 20. He never should've been in the NHL at 18. That raised the expecations of him unfairly and also accelerated his perceived readiness.
Consider this his first pro season. He's fresh out of juniors and learning his way in the pro game.
If you were to say that 2 years after being drafted in the mid-2nd round a prospect would be at a PPG average in the AHL with a handful of goals in an 8 game NHL call-up, every scout in the league would take that.
Consider this his first pro season. He's fresh out of juniors and learning his way in the pro game.
If you were to say that 2 years after being drafted in the mid-2nd round a prospect would be at a PPG average in the AHL with a handful of goals in an 8 game NHL call-up, every scout in the league would take that.
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Getting 2 goals and an assist in his 3rd or 4th game after being called up should have bought him more than another couple games played before being sent down. Even if hes streaky, getting multiple points in spurts the rest of the season thats more than what sheary is doing. And even when hes not scoring hes way more of a threat to do so(defenders will be on him) than Sheary.
AverageJoeFan
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I have to say you have a very good point about 15-16 and being called up at 18. I know was drawn to him to be there at such a young age.
Guentzel scored a bunch in a short period, went dry a couple of games, then got sent back down too. Why should Sprong be treated any different? Given how well Guentzel developed, why would we want to?
Coastal Kev
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You are correct and I will suggest that coaches will try and nuke what they deem as cockiness in an athlete and it destroys their mojo for good.
Sidney the Kidney
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Bellerive's looking like a gem of a find. He's up to 7th in WHL scoring, with 44 goals and 89 points.
Speaking Moistly
What a terrible image.
Goal #44 was a shg, too.
It’s still weird that he wasn’t drafted. Every team and their scouts missed on him. Unless something clicked late in the season or in the offseason or he had some crazy physical growth it’s baffling. Good for the Pens, but it’s crazy.
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