Prospect Info: Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread: 2023-2024 Edition

[Jacob]

Not to be a wet blanket, but I have a feeling by the time these guys have been drafted they've gone through extensive personalized skating instruction. That was a pretty new concept in the 80's, 90's and even early 00's and would make sense why guys back then could upgrade their game drastically by taking it on.

In this day and age any respectable competitive youth, junior, college, etc. program has extensive power skating training. Even many non-respectable ones have it such as the ones I went through.

I agree with this. You can’t change someone’s biology, like hip mobility and limb-lengths, and you probably can’t alter their skating mechanics much by this point either.

An adult, elite-level player could focus on one particular aspect of their skating, like say straight-line speed, every summer for several summers in a row and probably only make a very marginal, possibly imperceptible improvement. Because it’s not like every other player, including the good skaters, aren’t also continuing to work on their skating as well.

 

[SomeDude]

Watching some interviews with Murashov from camp. He speaks English incredibly well. I'm surprised an announcement hasn't been made on where he is playing next year yet.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Watching some interviews with Murashov from camp. He speaks English incredibly well. I'm surprised an announcement hasn't been made on where he is playing next year yet.

The internet has made a huge difference there. I have quite a few Russian students whose English is almost native-level.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Watching some interviews with Murashov from camp. He speaks English incredibly well. I'm surprised an announcement hasn't been made on where he is playing next year yet.

I guess we shouldn't be that surprised after all, I mean Yager still hasn't signed his ELC and I don't really know what they waiting for

 

[The Old Master]

The internet has made a huge difference there. I have quite a few Russian students whose English is almost native-level.

I have nothing but the highest regard for anyone that can learn English. i was born in this country and i still don't understand it. Galagher explained it well. (for those that are old enough to remember him.) we park in a driveway but we drive in a parkway. if you think this makes any sense to you, you are far smarter than me.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

When should the prospect polls start? August 1?

 

[SomeDude]

I have nothing but the highest regard for anyone that can learn English. i was born in this country and i still don't understand it. Galagher explained it well. (for those that are old enough to remember him.) we park in a driveway but we drive in a parkway. if you think this makes any sense to you, you are far smarter than me.

I think it differs person to person. Geno has been here going on 2 decades and Murashov is better at speaking English than him already.

My brain is seemingly incapable of handling a 2nd language and some of my friends pick it up quick.

 

[KareemTrustfund]

When should the prospect polls start? August 1?

Is there any prospect tournament in August? If not, may as well as start it now.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Is there any prospect tournament in August? If not, may as well as start it now.

No tournament until September

 

[SEALBound]

When should the prospect polls start? August 1?

Today just so that I can secretly hope the list gets messed up when we land some blue chip prospect later in the summer.

 

[Rico Im Ur Fata]

I have nothing but the highest regard for anyone that can learn English. i was born in this country and i still don't understand it. Galagher explained it well. (for those that are old enough to remember him.) we park in a driveway but we drive in a parkway. if you think this makes any sense to you, you are far smarter than me.

And to think English is one of the easier languages to learn and attain both academic/vernacular fluency, not only for non-English speakers, but non-English speakers that come from linguistical backgrounds that do not rely on alphabetical structures - that is, logographic or syllabaric languages. These non-English speakers didn’t grow up with letters that correspond to sound segments (phonemes) directly and don’t have inherent meanings. The way to look at, digest, interpret, enunciate, compose sentences in English is an entirely and radically different skillset for a native speaker of syllabaric languages (Japanese, Korean Hangul, Cherokee) or a speaker of logographic languages (Chinese).

I will always admire the effort my wife, who is a white American woman, put in to learn both Mandarin and Cantonese - as an adult - to the extent that she is business proficient in both. This includes not just spoken, but also the reading and writing of characters. One basically has to push away everything one learned about alphabets, phonemes and lexemes as a toddler, and open up to an entirely new construct of a language that is based on small logographs that represent morphemes (units of meanings), and not sounds.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

When we do our rankings we will probably have to decide if we want to keep Hallander in them or not.

He technically is still our guy. Just a
Probably a .5% chance he comes back.

Since Sullivan is a lifer. Hallander isn't coming back.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Is there any prospect tournament in August? If not, may as well as start it now.

There's the WJC showcase at the end of the month. We might have a couple players in that, not that summer performances should really affect any ranking.

 

[Jacob]

Hallander didn’t even request a trade or anything so I doubt Sullivan has much to do with it.

He was waiver eligible so 31 teams would’ve had a crack at him for free if Sullivan didn’t want him.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

When we do our rankings we will probably have to decide if we want to keep Hallander in them or not.

He technically is still our guy. Just a
Probably a .5% chance he comes back.

The dude is under contract until he's 28 years old. He's not coming back. He can be the Morozov of Sweden.

He may and he's a Pens property, as odd as that sounds.

I’m in favor of keeping him off the prospect rankings. If there’s any sign he wants to come back over we can put him back on.

Last year the board decided that Hallander and Lindberg weren't going to be included in the polls. I'll exclude them this year too.

Prospect Info: - Hallander & Lindberg: Prospects?

Given that both have gone back to play in Europe (Lindberg a 2-year deal; Hallander a 5-year deal) BUT the Pens still have their rights... do you consider them to be prospects for the purposes of our polls? They were ranked 7th (Lindberg) and 8th (Hallander) last year. If >50% of the votes say...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[deakka]

There's the WJC showcase at the end of the month. We might have a couple players in that, not that summer performances should really affect any ranking.

Yager and Howe are there for Canada.
Swanson for USA

 

[SEALBound]

Yager and Howe are there for Canada.
Swanson for USA

Yager will be a focus obviously. Excited to see how Howe stacks up but really, I'm more curious about Swanson. It was such an odd draft and the rankings were ALL over the board. I'm curious to see if there is something to that pick or it's just someone we expect to fade off into obscurity.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Yager will be a focus obviously. Excited to see how Howe stacks up but really, I'm more curious about Swanson. It was such an odd draft and the rankings were ALL over the board. I'm curious to see if there is something to that pick or it's just someone we expect to fade off into obscurity.

At best, he could be the next Cliff Ronning! At worst, he is a player drafted where he was drafted.

 

[The Old Master]

Yager will be a focus obviously. Excited to see how Howe stacks up but really, I'm more curious about Swanson. It was such an odd draft and the rankings were ALL over the board. I'm curious to see if there is something to that pick or it's just someone we expect to fade off into obscurity.

it will be fun pulling for the kid, but don't get your hopes up.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Joel Blomqvist is 15th in Scott Wheeler's top drafted goaltender prospects. These are players who are the property of an NHL team but have yet to establish themselves in the NHL.

Sergei Murashov just missed the cut, Wheeler wrote.

Top 20 drafted NHL goalie prospects ranking: Wallstedt, Askarov lead Wheeler’s summer 2024 list

Full scouting reports for Wheeler's top 20 goalie prospects in the league.

www.nytimes.com

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Joel Blomqvist is 15th in Scott Wheeler's top drafted goaltender prospects. These are players who are the property of an NHL team but have yet to establish themselves in the NHL.

Sergei Murashov just missed the cut, Wheeler wrote.

Top 20 drafted NHL goalie prospects ranking: Wallstedt, Askarov lead Wheeler’s summer 2024 list

Full scouting reports for Wheeler's top 20 goalie prospects in the league.

www.nytimes.com

Wasn't Wheeler one of the Planeteers?

 

[Ryder71]

When should the prospect polls start? August 1?

I'll let you know.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Wheeler is an idiot that doesn’t watch.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Yager will be a focus obviously. Excited to see how Howe stacks up but really, I'm more curious about Swanson. It was such an odd draft and the rankings were ALL over the board. I'm curious to see if there is something to that pick or it's just someone we expect to fade off into obscurity.

Swanson will surprise a lot of people who don't follow prospects, junior, NCAA this year when he has a good year at North Dakota. I would expect 25-30 points if not more in about 37 games for the Fighting Hawks. But he won't make the 2025 US World Junior Roster.

He'll go back to North Dakota for his sophomore year, kill it in the first half, make the 2026 US World Junior Roster, and have a good World Junior. My thoughts on him.

 

[DesertPenguin]

This feels like the right place to put this. We aren't trying to compete this year. Next year maybe we try to make the playoffs to get the kids some experience. It's the season after, 26-27, when we presumably go for it. I'm gonna try to project the lineup out that far.

DOC Crosby Yager
Bunting Malkin Koivunen
Poulin Ponomarev Puustinen
Gruden Lizzote Puljiiarvi
Broz

Not bad. This assumes Rust and Rakell are moved but maybe one of them stays if the kids don't step up into the top 6. Poulin might not ever pan out, and I think only one of Puustinen or Pulji sticks, but this is a nice framework where a high dollar forward could slot in anywhere.

Pettersson Karlsson
Pickering Letang
Graves St Ivany
Shea/Ludvig/Aho

I would like to see us keep Petts because he's going to be hard to replace internally or via trade. Pickering should be ready to be a #4 by then. I wouldn't mind moving Graves but that contract might be an albatross.

Blomqvist
Gauthier/Larsson/Murashov

By far our deepest position. We could always add a vet but one of those guys should be ready to go.

That's a pretty cheap young lineup we could afford to add to.