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Confirmed Trade: [PIT/WPG] Rutger McGroarty for Brayden Yager
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Imo it does a little. Because imo McGroarty is a better prospect. Winnipeg doesn't make that trade if they don't have the issue with McGroarty. That problem isn't happening for Pittsburgh, so you win that trade. Doesn't matter that Winnipeg isn't losing either.
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Good trade for both teams here.
Short term Pens get the more NHL ready prospect with attributes that are more an area of need and perhaps more valuable. The Jets get a somewhat local prospect with more work to do/risk but has slightly more upside. The gap is small both are good top6 bets
McGroarty has a heavy body that makes him desirable for being able to get to the inside. Is excellent on deflections and bumper area shooting and is a quality playmaker. His main areas of concern are skating. First few steps and even top end skating are still a little bit of a concern for his upside and being able to drive play. He's pretty much exclusively a winger now. If he can gel with top end players it wont matter much and he will score. His frame should accommodate explosive skating improvement
Yager on the other hand still has a fair amount of risk. His speed and shot are already legit NHLer top6. He's also a very committed 2 way player and has the tracking ability to back it up in the NHL. The issues are in playmaking and manipulation where he plays in straight lines and gets tunnel vision. At the NHL level he may have issues creating and being able to take advantage of opportunities off the cycle. Combining his size with those issues may make him a middle six scorer at RW vs a 2 way top6 C. This risk is why McGroarty is seen pretty universally as the better prospect. If Yager can show more deception in his game and get stronger look out.
On the entitlement thing: Nobody on the Pens will care abut this if Rutger is a good player and teammate. The agents and advisors/parents of these kids are the one's advocating these flex moves and it's really just a willingness to go along with it and immaturity which is tough to pile onto a young kid when they just want the best situation for their lives and careers. I don't like seeing it but that's what the interview process is for. Good for Chevy to reset and still have a top end prospect
Jets fans should be happy to get an outstanding prospect back who will in all likelihood be a Jet for long long time. Pens fans should be happy for the better immediate prospect who should be able to impact their roster quicker
Short term Pens get the more NHL ready prospect with attributes that are more an area of need and perhaps more valuable. The Jets get a somewhat local prospect with more work to do/risk but has slightly more upside. The gap is small both are good top6 bets
McGroarty has a heavy body that makes him desirable for being able to get to the inside. Is excellent on deflections and bumper area shooting and is a quality playmaker. His main areas of concern are skating. First few steps and even top end skating are still a little bit of a concern for his upside and being able to drive play. He's pretty much exclusively a winger now. If he can gel with top end players it wont matter much and he will score. His frame should accommodate explosive skating improvement
Yager on the other hand still has a fair amount of risk. His speed and shot are already legit NHLer top6. He's also a very committed 2 way player and has the tracking ability to back it up in the NHL. The issues are in playmaking and manipulation where he plays in straight lines and gets tunnel vision. At the NHL level he may have issues creating and being able to take advantage of opportunities off the cycle. Combining his size with those issues may make him a middle six scorer at RW vs a 2 way top6 C. This risk is why McGroarty is seen pretty universally as the better prospect. If Yager can show more deception in his game and get stronger look out.
On the entitlement thing: Nobody on the Pens will care abut this if Rutger is a good player and teammate. The agents and advisors/parents of these kids are the one's advocating these flex moves and it's really just a willingness to go along with it and immaturity which is tough to pile onto a young kid when they just want the best situation for their lives and careers. I don't like seeing it but that's what the interview process is for. Good for Chevy to reset and still have a top end prospect
Jets fans should be happy to get an outstanding prospect back who will in all likelihood be a Jet for long long time. Pens fans should be happy for the better immediate prospect who should be able to impact their roster quicker
How in the hell I'm I supposed to know that? Value wise it probably wasn't far off, how do I know how much you know about Winnipeg's situation?
Has there been even one shred of evidence that this is the case?
I've asked several times and nobody has provided any.
Were there any indications prior to this offseason that he was unhappy with the Jets?
Or is the most likely scenario - that he was pissed he didn't get signed by the Jets immediately following his 2nd season at Michigan - what soured him on the organization?
Nazar was selected one spot ahead of him, had worse stats and was signed by Chicago. Brindley was a 2nd round pick with similar stats that was signed by Columbus. Luke Hughes was his teammate last season and went straight to NJ after his 2nd year with Michigan.
Not really a ridiculous expectation on his part after the season he just had for the Wolverines. Missing out on burning an ELC year this past season plus the prospect of spending next season in the AHL for a team that seemingly doesn't believe in him as much as he thought they did had to not only be frustrating, but potentially cost him a lot of money on top of it.
It's not specifically a USNDT thing. It's just a fact that many high picks that spend 2 seasons in the NCAA have the expectation of getting signed by their NHL club after their collegiate season ends if they've performed well since being drafted. That's just the landscape of the league now. It just happens that most top collegiate players that are high draft picks have gone through the USNDT.
Pens get a winger who has a skill set they simply don't have in big supply. He will compete for a roster spot while Yager was probably 2 years away as he needs to mature and gain size and strength. Really like Yager and the time frame was fine for when the Pens will begin the transition to a rebuild.
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You went from McGroaty is just as good as Yager to McGroaty is clearly better than Yager in 4 pages.
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Yay, and now we have official confirmation of the ELC signing.
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"Just as good" doesn't mean "equal". They're both similarly tiered prospects while McGroarty is ranked a bit higher.
The initial post was "they're adding another great prospect to their system". The deal just turned out to be their great prospect for another team's great prospect.
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You're quoting a well known flip flopper who changes his opinion everyday and pretends his current opinion was always held.
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Sounds like the rumors that he wanted a guaranteed top 6 spot/power play time were total BS? Or do you think the Winnipeg GM is lying here?
It doesn’t sound like he changed his mind until the organization/chevy changed their minds on a developmental path for him b/c they didn’t want to burn a year of his ELC. If you’re expecting to play in the NHL and maybe those discussions were had prior to signing then when it’s time to sign you’re told you’re gonna go to the AHL, it might cause a bit of riff.
I don’t think any party is in the wrong. Chevy and the jets reassessed the situation and wanted a new development path. Rutger feels ready and wants to play in the NHL. Didn’t work out
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He's right you did exactly that but that's common for you to flip flop.
Also you need to stop calling Rutger a center he isn't he's a winger.
Even Hutson signed last year too, no issues.
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I literally never called McGroarty a center.
I didn't flip flop on anything here. My initial comment was excitement that they were adding another great prospect in McGroarty, and me saying "he's just as good as Yager" was meant as "he's another good prospect just like Yager".
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Hearing rumors he wants out of Pittsburgh.
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He’s an asshole for turning down a job offer? Get a grip dude
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