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vabm8 said:
I think he needs to at least not sink them and at his worst they would eat him alive. What interests me with Tampa is if they peaked too early and what Vasilevskiy does.
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Trust me, you're preaching to the choir about Letang. :laugh: I just think, even if he's atrocious, he wouldn't be much worse than several guys we had last season and our forwards would shred Tampa's 2nd and 3rd pairings. Vasi is the wild card though. If he shows up at his best, that's a huge problem, but I think we have the talent and depth to solve him. We seem to have a knack for making Vezina-caliber goalies look foolish in the playoffs in the JR/Sully era.
 
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KIRK said:
Just saw JR speaking on the complexity of this deal.

He looks like he just gave birth . . . to an accountant.
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This is hilarious. Only because JR has a weird look as it is.

ColePens said:
With the chemistry Jake/Kessel just had, i'd ride that until it disappears.
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If JR can find Sid a winger to keep Guentzel and Kessel together...yikes. JR still has a lot of salary he can move. If I were the rest of the league I'd be scared.

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I am 100% shooting in the dark here, but do you think maybe GMGM helped us get the center we need because maybe he had a semi-handshake deal with JR in the summer to let him get the first crack at a center? Vegas was our obvious trade partner. Then they went on a tear, and Im 100000000% certain GMGM didn't expect that as he took a lot of players to flip them in a year or two to build for the future.

Maybe since GMGM could no longer hold his word, he did the next best thing. He helped us acquire Brassard.

We will never know. Pure speculation/shot in the dark. Maybe GMGM just liked that value. Who knows.
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It appears to me that GM and JR have a very good working relationship, and managed in the same division for a really long time.. I have read in many outlets, specifically when GM was in Washington that he's a no bullshit type of guy. There was actually a really awesome video that I can't find now that documented Washington and GMGM at the 2006 draft when they were determining what was going to happen. GM is sitting in his hotel room and the phone rings and it's Ray Shero asking if GM would take a deal of #2 straight up for Jack Johnson (for whatever reason, Jack wanting to go to college first pissed JR off). GM said, "I'd have to consider that one." I just found it very interesting that Ray would ask him that question and that GM would actually give Ray an answer and insight into his decision making process.

Word is that JR is exactly the same way. When he gives a team an offer it's best and final. He's not bullshitting you.
 
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Trust me, you're preaching to the choir about Letang. :laugh: I just think, even if he's atrocious, he wouldn't be much worse than several guys we had last season and our forwards would shred Tampa's 2nd and 3rd pairings. Vasi is the wild card though. If he shows up at his best, that's a huge problem, but I think we have the talent and depth to solve him. We seem to have a knack for making Vezina-caliber goalies look foolish in the playoffs in the JR/Sully era.
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Think of how many minutes they’ve been known to feed Letang. :laugh:

The real concern would be the high risk plays Letang will make and bad Letang will botch. A player can be bad but safe and that will limit the damage to a degree. Letang can be bad and wildly ambitious with no awareness of what’s happening in the game. Tampa could capitalize on those mistakes.

If Vasilevskiy is hot they’d need Murray to be, and having Hornqvist and ZAR with could be very helpful. Multiple defensemen figuring out how to get their shots through as well.
 
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Crafton said:
i'm all about the fancy stats but one thing that drives me crazy about the analytic community is an inability to acknowledge the league is still an old boys network. you can disagree but refusing to acknowledge it exists and stating "oh this makes no sense," doesn't really reflect well on their ability to analyse.

GMGM was prob doing GMJR a solid for the Fluery deal, and preventing a rival from acquiring a good player. that's politics. but it's also based in gaining a slight statistical advantage of having a competitor not being able to add a good player. idk why its so hard for people to get on board with Vegas' decision-making here.
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I think because in all honesty, it's something that's rarely seen here. I agree that this likely played a part in this transaction (or the point that Cole brought up about LV not being able to trade a C to PIT due to their success), as not much else makes a ton of sense all on it's own... How much so remains to be seen, but I'm certain that to some extent, it absolutely played a part. Hopefully we can take advantage of that.
 
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I have zero doubt that you are right. People forget how small a club that is, and longevity means that you develop relationships. If you do not you will not last in the job.
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But I'm not going to deal with team A, because that would be "helping them out". I'm just here to f*** everyone over...

^^ HF Mentality.
 
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vabm8 said:
Think of how many minutes they’ve been known to feed Letang. :laugh:

The real concern would be the high risk plays Letang will make and bad Letang will botch. A player can be bad but safe and that will limit the damage to a degree. Letang can be bad and wildly ambitious with no awareness of what’s happening in the game. Tampa could capitalize on those mistakes.

If Vasilevskiy is hot they’d need Murray to be, and having Hornqvist and ZAR with could be very helpful. Multiple defensemen figuring out how to get their shots through as well.
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There is a part of me that thinks Vasilevskiy is one of the next great goaltenders. He just has the look of one of those guys who can put a team on his back when they need him to.

When we beat them in the playoffs, I thought Vasilevskiy had one of the more outstanding performances I can remember. One really bad goal sunk him.
 
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JTG said:
There is a part of me that thinks Vasilevskiy is one of the next great goaltenders. He just has the look of one of those guys who can put a team on his back when they need him to.

When we beat them in the playoffs, I thought Vasilevskiy had one of the more outstanding performances I can remember. One really bad goal sunk him.
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Same. He almost stole that series in 2016 and if the consistency is there I think he’ll be a top goalie for years. I’m pretty sure I left that series a bigger fan of him than a lot of lightning fans.
 
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BlackAndGold87 said:
Yep, I still expect at least two moves to be made. Mostly depth moves but I'm sure GMJR will try to land a big name(Kane)
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Reckon Hunwick and Sheary will both be traded and then we'll be done. Perhaps for a low cost rental D and a cheap winger?
 
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I do feel bad for Ottawa fans. This is like what happened to us during 2001-03 with Jagr, Straka, Kovalev, Lang, etc.
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Those were such dark years, and not only did the team blow, we thought the team was going to move as well. I'll never forget the look on CP face after he dealt Kovy... looked like he was on an all night bender and his eyes showed how utterly defeated he was.

That's exactly why I enjoyed this season and never let the team's poor play bother me, or doubted JR. You don't doubt a champions heart that has shown the kind of resiliency these players have and the masterful roster building JR has proven over and over.
 
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JTG said:
It appears to me that GM and JR have a very good working relationship, and managed in the same division for a really long time.. I have read in many outlets, specifically when GM was in Washington that he's a no bull**** type of guy. There was actually a really awesome video that I can't find now that documented Washington and GMGM at the 2006 draft when they were determining what was going to happen. GM is sitting in his hotel room and the phone rings and it's Ray Shero asking if GM would take a deal of #2 straight up for Jack Johnson (for whatever reason, Jack wanting to go to college first pissed JR off). GM said, "I'd have to consider that one." I just found it very interesting that Ray would ask him that question and that GM would actually give Ray an answer and insight into his decision making process.

Word is that JR is exactly the same way. When he gives a team an offer it's best and final. He's not bull****ting you.
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I remember watching that. I took a look for it a couple years ago and couldn't find it. If I remember correctly, they were also talking about who was picking who.
 
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vabm8 said:
Same. He almost stole that series in 2016 and if the consistency is there I think he’ll be a top goalie for years. I’m pretty sure I left that series a bigger fan of him than a lot of lightning fans.
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Yeah I seem to recall a lot of moaning and bitching about him (either after or during the series, I can't remember). All us Pen fans were praising him, and TB fans were bitching about him. It was really weird.

hangman005 said:
This is a bit awkward and all, but i talked to other VGK fans and it turns out... we don't actually want Reaves, wanna take him back.
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I lol'd.
 
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The Jets offer may have been better in their eyes. But Ottawa believed that the goalie, Cole as a flip and the pick was superior to what they plan on doing beyond Brassard. But color me concerned with that loss of Grit and deterrent of a Reaves or the grit of a Cole. It will be missed unless GMJR and ownership and sully are not concerned of that element that was so needed after last year and now is not.
 
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