Confirmed Trade: [PIT/NSH] Philip Tomasino for 2027 4th round pick

[Maurice of Orange]

Cody Glass has had a better, more relevant season more recently than Tomasino in Nashville, ended up in Pittsburgh for free as a "young guy with pedigree and potential" and is a total useless washout.

No Glass hasn’t, Cody has 4 assists in twice as many games then Tomasino and has a Concussion to boot, and was ass defensively when he was in the lineup.

 

[DRAGO 18]

------Every single Penguins fan right now telling us "we got a steal and a young player with potential".

Mikey Sullivan will give him 10 minutes a game (maybe) then in 6 games be healthy scratched for Matt ******* Nieto.

 

[Bishop7979]

It just kills me that he won by being absurdly flexible, yet keeps failing with inflexibility.

It's hard to imagine that the Penguins 'lose' this trade, a 4th rounder years down the road doesn't exactly have a ton of value, but it's equally hard to imagine Sullivan trusting anyone new the way he trusted a Justin Schultz or Conor Sheary after years of short leashes and immense turnover. The Pens had a knack for being able to pull depth contributors out of nowhere for a good while, and that's completely disappeared over long enough for it to be a pattern across 3 GMs. There's been too many scapegoats magically improve upon departure and too many solid players turning into pumpkins to have faith in a coaching strategy firmly stuck in the past and either unwilling or unable to adapt.

He didn't win by being flexible, he won by bringing up a bunch of kids with him from the AHL that he had already coached into being exactly what he wanted them to be and inserting them into a line up whose core was talent rich and able to win with or without his "coaching". It was a perfect storm that ended up undeservingly pumping up his image as some coaching Messiah when in reality he was gifted an insanely good team that just needed anyone not named Mike Johnson behind the bench.

His reputation has kept him around far too long and wasted the last couple legitimate chances the team had.

And he's losing now because he thinks the same core can play the same system like 8 years later surrounded either by youngish guys hes unwilling to play because they aren't "his kids" and older bargin bin guys who he shouldnt play who he won't take out of the line up because they "play the right way" even though those guys have gone 2 and 8 over their last 10.

 

[BKarchitect]

No Glass hasn’t, Cody has 4 assists in twice as many games then Tomasino and has a Concussion to boot, and was ass defensively when he was in the lineup.

I'm not talking about this season. I'm saying Glass had a more relevant full season in Nashville more recently (22-23) than Tomasino (21-22). So not every young guy the Preds give up on turns into something magical.

Glass IS definitely ass.

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--Every single Penguins fan right now telling us "we got a steal and a young player with potential".

Mikey Sullivan will give him 10 minutes a game (maybe) then in 6 games be healthy scratched for Matt ******* Nieto.

Well it sounds like Tomasino got traded from Nashville...to Nashville East. So, good news for him. If anybody can calm Preds' fans fears of this looking terrible for Nashville down the road, it's Kyle Dubas and Mike Sullivan.

 

[Armourboy]

Well crap

 

[bellringer77]

I absolutely hate the direction Nashville is going. Not giving young players legitimate shots and stacking the team with old players.

Taking the good ole Detroit route

 

[Armourboy]

It’s not good young talent though. It’s very underachieving young players, who’ve both been given every opportunity to make a name for themselves.

Tomasino has over 150 NHL games. For a 23 year old winger, that’s a very good look. 150 is the point of no return on wingers, for many evaluators. Now, there’s skilled players who could have 150 games, who haven’t been given many real opportunities to play in preferred roles. Those guys are one-offs though.

Tomasino has had those opportunities throughout. Fabbro was well over the 200 game marker for young Dmen too. Never showing he’s a legit Top 4 player. Who’s had to be sheltered when playing up.

If players haven’t shown flashes of being something more than they are, many evaluators cut the chord at 150-200 games, depending on position. Trotz is cutting the chord.

As for Dubas, he’s reaching and hoping. Problem is, it’s another asset given away. They need as many draft picks as possible coming up. If Tomasino remains what he’s been, the Pens won’t get another 4th rounder back in return. He’ll end up a non-qualified free agent.

So it’s not like they didn’t give these players opportunities. The problem is, they’re so bad right now and went with a very veteran lineup. So losing 23-25 year olds with some experience still hurts some on paper. Even if they were only preferred role players moving forward.

Trotz must feel Nashville has some things coming, where they value a late 4th more than Tomasino. We’ll see what happens in Pittsburgh. He’ll be given every opportunity to contribute. He’s skilled enough where he may even look like a steal in the beginning. Fans should give it a good 50 games though, before settling into an opinion on him. The odds aren’t in his camp though.

You are pretty good at looking at stats on a page but are clueless as to how they got there.

 

[3074326]

Free NHLer for a future 4th. Sounds good.

 

[Viqsi]

One player sure, but Tolvanen, Fabbro and Tomasino?

Poile was still in charge when Tolvanen was waived. I don't think we were yet to the point where Trotz was getting involved, but my memory may be off in that regard.

 

[Viqsi]

There's nothing deeper to it, Poile's prospects have been systematically doghoused and are being moved out. Evangelista, Parssinen, Svechkov, and Kemell will come next. It's the classic new GM wiping out all the old guy's stuff.

Sure as hell looks like that but I'm not outright concluding it is until I see more data points on the trendline.

 

[Soundgarden]

Poile was still in charge when Tolvanen was waived. I don't think we were yet to the point where Trotz was getting involved, but my memory may be off in that regard.

True but that's a lot of free going talent given away in a short period of time.

 

[Viqsi]

True but that's a lot of free going talent given away in a short period of time.

It is, and I'm not fond of it, but we need to make sure we get annoyed with the right people.

 

[Soundgarden]

It is, and I'm not fond of it, but we need to make sure we get annoyed with the right people.

Yes. Enjoy Fabbro

 

[Viqsi]

Cody Glass has had a better, more relevant season more recently than Tomasino in Nashville, ended up in Pittsburgh for free as a "young guy with pedigree and potential" and is a total useless washout.

Tomasino at least is fast but I really think Preds fans are leaning in too hard on the "everything we don't use and let go turns to gold" thing...

Glass was being given more opportunities to work with than Tomasino and did even less with them.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

That will do it.

 

[chethejet]

I like the move to add a higher pedigree RW. He has skill and with change, what is the downside here. My hope is Sullivan is gone shortly, and a new coach cans this crap ASAP.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Penguins traded a rental Chad Ruhwedel for this, so yeah, hard to complain.

Now they just need to actually put him in a position to succeed. Count me as skeptical they do that.

 

[biturbo19]

I mean, it's a 4th round pick so whatever...worth a flyer i guess. But Tomasino hasn't really done anything other than having big draft pedigree to justify spending anything more on him. Classic Dubas move, getting great "value" on a random young spare part "with upside", while shanking the entire rest of the roster construction puzzle.

 

[miscs75]

I'll give (isles) will give pittsburgh a 4th for him if you don't want him

4th round pick and YouTube sensation Oliver Wahlstrom*

 

[Rudy Russo]

In theory, it would make sense for us to buy low on a young forward to play him in the top 6 and then flip him for profit in a year or two.

In practice, he’s going to play 7 mins a night with Matt Nieto and Noel Acciari and we will not qualify him in July.

I’m hoping both Nieto and Acciari are gone by March.

 

[izzy]

Yikes

 

[Lockin17]

Gezz i'll take Kemell for a 3rd

 

[Soundgarden]

Gezz i'll take Kemell for a 3rd

A 3rd? Why not just wait until we waive him

 

[dirtydanglez]

i just realized its a 2027 pick too. ouch

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Not a bad gamble, he's still only 23. That said if he was utilized poorly in Nashville there's not much hope of being utilized correctly by Sullivan