Waived: [PIT] G Tristian Jarry waived by the Penguins (cleared)

[Empoleon8771]

Don't see any similarities at all. Barring injury (which has been Blackwood's nemesis), he should be a backbone for Colorado.

To this point Mackenzie has played behind some incredibly deficient defensive teams. His success with the Avalanche should not come as a surprise.

Blackwood is literally the perfect example. He has had a middling career, had like 1.5 hot years and got a huge contract out of it.

I'd be downright shocked for him to not end up the next goalie in that group.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I posted this on the Pens board but figured I'd put it here too.

Looking at the goaltending class this summer and the number of teams who need a back-up, moving TJ at 2.6M really shouldn't be that hard. There are more teams that need a goalie then there are goalies better than TJ at 2.6M.

The best FAs that might make it there are Samsonov, Rittich, Georgiev, Lyon, Vladar and Allen. Nothing to really get too excited about.

A number of teams need goalies;

CAL: 37M in cap space and Vladar is a UFA.
CAR: .7M in Cap space and Andersen is on IR and a UFA.
CHI: 9M in Cap space and could send back Mrazek.
DET: 4M in Cap space and Husso and Lyon are UFAs.
EDM: 4M in Cap space and TJ would be an upgrade on Pickard.
LAK: 11M in Cap space and Rittich is a UFA.
NSH: 13M in Cap space and and have a kid backing up and Trots is an awful GM.
NJ: 2M in Cap space and and Allen is a UFA.
OTT: .8M in Cap space and Forsbers is a UFA.
PHI: 2.8M in Cap space and all their goalies stink.
SJ: 10.7M in Cap space and Vanechek and Georgiev are UFAs.
UTA: 11.7M in Cap space and Vjmelka is a UFA.

Plus, now that he's cleared waivers, he can be traded and the new team can stash him in the AHL w/o having to waiver him.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

man I was hoping beyond hope a team I don't like would claim him

 

[ManofSteel55]

Cleared? Shocking...too nobody.

 

[Brodeur]

NJ: 2M in Cap space and and Allen is a UFA.

I'd be surprised if the Devils would want to commit 3 years to Jarry even at half his cap hit. They could re-sign to Allen to a shorter deal, promote Nico Daws, or aim for a cheaper veteran backup. Even with a rising cap, Luke Hughes' next contract will eat up most of our available space.

 

[bleachdrinker]

PHI: 2.8M in Cap space and all their goalies stink.

We’re almost out of Cal Petersen’s contract. Could only see Philly taking Jarry if there was a decent pick attached to him to compensate for the contract and term. Three years after this one is a looong time.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I posted this on the Pens board but figured I'd put it here too.

Looking at the goaltending class this summer and the number of teams who need a back-up, moving TJ at 2.6M really shouldn't be that hard. There are more teams that need a goalie then there are goalies better than TJ at 2.6M.

The best FAs that might make it there are Samsonov, Rittich, Georgiev, Lyon, Vladar and Allen. Nothing to really get too excited about.

A number of teams need goalies;

CAL: 37M in cap space and Vladar is a UFA.
CAR: .7M in Cap space and Andersen is on IR and a UFA.
CHI: 9M in Cap space and could send back Mrazek.
DET: 4M in Cap space and Husso and Lyon are UFAs.
EDM: 4M in Cap space and TJ would be an upgrade on Pickard.
LAK: 11M in Cap space and Rittich is a UFA.
NSH: 13M in Cap space and and have a kid backing up and Trots is an awful GM.
NJ: 2M in Cap space and and Allen is a UFA.
OTT: .8M in Cap space and Forsbers is a UFA.
PHI: 2.8M in Cap space and all their goalies stink.
SJ: 10.7M in Cap space and Vanechek and Georgiev are UFAs.
UTA: 11.7M in Cap space and Vjmelka is a UFA.

Plus, now that he's cleared waivers, he can be traded and the new team can stash him in the AHL w/o having to waiver him.

I believe a team could be interested in a 50% retained Jarry.

Roll the dice and see if a roughly 2.7 million Jarry for 3 years is worth. With a signing bonus paid and he is paid less in the last 3 years. Only roughly 11/2 = 6.5 million owed. That is pretty good for some teams.

 

[Altimus]

I posted this on the Pens board but figured I'd put it here too.

Looking at the goaltending class this summer and the number of teams who need a back-up, moving TJ at 2.6M really shouldn't be that hard. There are more teams that need a goalie then there are goalies better than TJ at 2.6M.

The best FAs that might make it there are Samsonov, Rittich, Georgiev, Lyon, Vladar and Allen. Nothing to really get too excited about.

A number of teams need goalies;

CAL: 37M in cap space and Vladar is a UFA.
CAR: .7M in Cap space and Andersen is on IR and a UFA.
CHI: 9M in Cap space and could send back Mrazek.
DET: 4M in Cap space and Husso and Lyon are UFAs.
EDM: 4M in Cap space and TJ would be an upgrade on Pickard.
LAK: 11M in Cap space and Rittich is a UFA.
NSH: 13M in Cap space and and have a kid backing up and Trots is an awful GM.
NJ: 2M in Cap space and and Allen is a UFA.
OTT: .8M in Cap space and Forsbers is a UFA.
PHI: 2.8M in Cap space and all their goalies stink.
SJ: 10.7M in Cap space and Vanechek and Georgiev are UFAs.
UTA: 11.7M in Cap space and Vjmelka is a UFA.

Plus, now that he's cleared waivers, he can be traded and the new team can stash him in the AHL w/o having to waiver him.

Ottawa will 100% be running Leevi as it's back up next year.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I believe a team could be interested in a 50% retained Jarry.

Roll the dice and see if a roughly 2.7 million Jarry for 3 years is worth. With a signing bonus paid and he is paid less in the last 3 years. Only roughly 11/2 = 6.5 million owed. That is pretty good for some teams.

That's a good point I didn't think about. If they wait till after July 1st when they pay his bonus, the actual amount due to him is much less than the cap hit, which could be appealing to a team with lots of space but doesn't want to spend as much actual money.

 

[Crow]

I posted this on the Pens board but figured I'd put it here too.

Looking at the goaltending class this summer and the number of teams who need a back-up, moving TJ at 2.6M really shouldn't be that hard. There are more teams that need a goalie then there are goalies better than TJ at 2.6M.

The best FAs that might make it there are Samsonov, Rittich, Georgiev, Lyon, Vladar and Allen. Nothing to really get too excited about.

A number of teams need goalies;

CAL: 37M in cap space and Vladar is a UFA.
CAR: .7M in Cap space and Andersen is on IR and a UFA.
CHI: 9M in Cap space and could send back Mrazek.
DET: 4M in Cap space and Husso and Lyon are UFAs.
EDM: 4M in Cap space and TJ would be an upgrade on Pickard.
LAK: 11M in Cap space and Rittich is a UFA.
NSH: 13M in Cap space and and have a kid backing up and Trots is an awful GM.
NJ: 2M in Cap space and and Allen is a UFA.
OTT: .8M in Cap space and Forsbers is a UFA.
PHI: 2.8M in Cap space and all their goalies stink.
SJ: 10.7M in Cap space and Vanechek and Georgiev are UFAs.
UTA: 11.7M in Cap space and Vjmelka is a UFA.

Plus, now that he's cleared waivers, he can be traded and the new team can stash him in the AHL w/o having to waiver him.

Hawks don’t need a goalie. What are you talking about? If we sent Mrazek back we maybe would but why the hell would we do that? We have to put soderblom on waivers if brossiot gets healthy.

 

[Extra Texture]

I think obviously this is hindsight, but even at the time, nobody would've faulted Dubas for letting Jarry walk and just going with 3 cheap goalies to battle it out. We had DeSmith, who is mediocre, and Nedeljkovic, who was coming off a bad season but has proven to be a little bit better than Jarry and a *lot* cheaper, and maybe you get a Talbot or some other veteran on a 1 year deal to battle for starts. So instead of $6 million invested in one flake you're at $4 million between 3 guys, any of which you can easily bury in the minors, and you probably get the same or even slightly better results if you just ride the hot hand.

This would have been so much better. I know some Pens fans at the time thought the goalie market was too barren that summer to risk losing Jarry, but I never understood that logic. Risk losing what? (Until then) decent regular season numbers followed by a backbreaking playoff boner?

If we hadve gone cheap, and kept flexibility, there was always the opportunity to pounce on a guy via an opportunistic trade, like Markstrom or Ullmark. And if we had missed the playoffs a cheaper tandem/trio netminder on a short term deal would’ve been a fine trade asset. Not the hapless boat anchor We wound up with

 

[SEALBound]

This would have been so much better. I know some Pens fans at the time thought the goalie market was too barren that summer to risk losing Jarry, but I never understood that logic. Risk losing what? (Until then) decent regular season numbers followed by a backbreaking playoff boner?

If we hadve gone cheap, and kept flexibility, there was always the opportunity to pounce on a guy via an opportunistic trade, like Markstrom or Ullmark. And if we had missed the playoffs a cheaper tandem/trio netminder on a short term deal would’ve been a fine trade asset. Not the hapless boat anchor We wound up with

Hindsight, I agree 100%. The clearly correct route would have been to not resign him. But that's hindsight through 2025 lenses.

At the time, the focus on Jarry's struggles were largely the playoffs and being healthy for the playoffs. He did struggle for a couple of games that year but still sported a .910sv%, with the previous year being 0.919 (with 24 and 34 wins, respectively). He was also a two-time all-star. So, it's not like at the time he had the stats he has today.

So while there were concerns about whether or not he could up his game in the playoffs, I think the bigger concern was about money and term. I do remember discussing whether or not it was worth bringing him back, with most being "okay, depending on the contract" and most balking instantly at what he got. That was me, as one example. $5.35 for 2 years, fine. 5yrs at $2mil, fine. 5x5.35mil, not fine .

So from that context, I think there was a bit more on the line. If you choose not to do it and let Talbot, CDS, and I guess Neds "battle" it out and it falls apart (like it ironically did with Jarry), man that puts the dunce hat on Dubas just as much as it is now. Especially if Jarry goes elsewhere and turns in an average performance.

And saying "they shouldn't have resigned Jarry in 2023 because Markstrom and Ullmark would have been available in 2024" isn't a great argument because future availability of guys like is impossible to determine. Hell, didn't the owner of the Flames flat out say they weren't trading him? If GM's had that kind of clarity or crystal ball, Dubas wouldn't have signed him in the first place but for different reasons.