Proposal: PIT/DAL - Pouliot + for Nichushkin

[WTFMAN99]

Maybe I'm way off base with this deal, but is there a deal to be had around these 2 players?

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[SEALBound]

Player for player the value is probably there but I'm not sure Pouliot is the dman Dallas needs right now.

The better deal IMHO, would be around Niemi+Nuke for MAF.

 

[dechire]

Dallas can't take another defenseman unless we're giving one back. So it would have to be Nichushkin + Oleksiak in any D deal.

Hopefully people read this post before making all the 500 inevitable Val proposals this week lol

 

[Michael Farkas]

I was thinking about this as well in light of the alleged signing of Hudler.

Being a nut for handedness, I'd like to add a RHS d-man of lesser appeal that is semi-ready to play. Someone in the Mattias Backman zone, but RHS.

Maybe there's a third team that could contribute a piece - not a three-way deal per se, but a team that wants to liquidate a RHS d-man that is cheap, NHL-able and relatively mistake free. That said, Dallas has a ton of waiver-eligible D at this point I think...so maybe there's a handedness swap to be made where a third team could be involved in a minor way just to grease the wheels of the main event so to speak...

Dal gets: Pouliot
Dal gives: Nuke + one of their spares (like Oleksiak)
Pit gets: Nuke + a RHS d-man of minor appeal
Pit gives: Pouliot
Team X gets: Oleksiak, perhaps a pick from Pittsburgh
Team X gives: RHS d-man of minor appeal

 

[SenzZen]

Why wouldn't Dallas trade him for Fowler instead?

 

[WhatWhat]

Pouliot doesn't really work for us. He either doesn't play well and we get not much value, or he plays well enough that Johns/Lindell gets exposed and likely taken. At that point it end up being Nuke+Johns/Lindell for Pouliot which is real bad for Dallas

 

[Michael Farkas]

Unless Lindell isn't good and Pouliot is saves the day...not to be disagreeable, certainly, but there's a thousand ways to skin a cat...

 

[Mad Brills*]

there is a trade to made between both teams, for fleury as well.


I think this could happen.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I think Fleury complicates the deal too much, personally. I also don't think the Pens should be in a hurry to move him...but that's probably best for another thread...

 

[WTFMAN99]

Well...at the very least there is a base for a deal that people can see, or the possibility to expand on the deal.

That's a win.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Niemi + Nuke for MAF will probably mean that Bonino leaving next offseason will be close to inevitable. Kinda on the fence about that.

 

[SEALBound]

Would Dallas take a pick for Nuke? He's one of the few potentially available players I would actually be okay offering a pick for.

With that though, Nuke + Oleksiak for Pouliot + pick/prospect, is something I would do.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I'd rather bring in Backman, Nemeth or even Martenet over Oleksiak. No reason to bring in a limited hockey sense player if you don't have to. The goal really should be to bring in a RHS d-man, but Honka and Johns are too "out of the way" to reasonable happen in this deal.

 

[Troy McClure]

Would Dallas take a pick for Nuke?

There may be no choice. I don't know how excited teams are to give up known NHL quality for Nichushkin.

 

[SEALBound]

There may be no choice. I don't know how excited teams are to give up known NHL quality for Nichushkin.

I imagine the discussion would involve the details of where they are at with the contract details. If Nuke wants $5-6mil, well...bye. If he's in the $2-3mil range, it may be worth the time to look into it.

IIRC, Nuke wanted a bigger role on the team didn't he? Hell, send him to Pittsburgh where he can be Malkin's new best friend and help them keep the 3 scoring lines together.

Problem right now is that he's unsigned...so if he won't sign with the Stars and the deal they offer him, team won't want to give up much.

 

[Troy McClure]

IIRC, Nuke wanted a bigger role on the team didn't he?

Nuke wanted more ice time, but he didn't play well enough to earn it. That's an attitude problem.

 

[dechire]

I'd rather bring in Backman, Nemeth or even Martenet over Oleksiak. No reason to bring in a limited hockey sense player if you don't have to. The goal really should be to bring in a RHS d-man, but Honka and Johns are too "out of the way" to reasonable happen in this deal.

If you want a player that isn't a pure contract dump then you'll need to add equivalent value. Oleksiak is essentially a throw in. Those other players will cost you.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nuke wanted more ice time, but he didn't play well enough to earn it. That's an attitude problem.

Dallas is loaded up front and he was a bit behind the 8-ball having missed time with a knee injury. Maybe the allure of playing with Malkin appeals to him?

 

[Michael Farkas]

If you want a player that isn't a pure contract dump then you'll need to add equivalent value. Oleksiak is essentially a throw in. Those other players will cost you.

I think the cost is implicit in the unsigned flight risk that is Nuke vs. Pouliot. The difference in value between Nemeth and Oleksiak, for instance, can't be large and it gets smaller the closer you get to training camp where all "possible waiver fodder" takes on a very similar value. Regardless, my interest isn't in them - due to handedness.

The alternative is Nuke + a conditional pick based on him bolting.

Just in a universe where Nuke for Pouliot is palatable to both sides (not saying it is), you might go Nuke + a 2 if he doesn't sign with Pittsburgh for 16-17
Nuke + a 5 if he plays less than 50 games for Pittsburgh
Nuke + nothing if he plays 50+ games for Pittsburgh

Something along those lines...

 

[dechire]

Dallas is loaded up front and he was a bit behind the 8-ball having missed time with a knee injury. Maybe the allure of playing with Malkin appeals to him?

It was hip surgery just fyi although the effect is basically the same either way. He got plenty of top 6 time last season. He just didn't do anything with it. He wasn't getting scratched in the playoffs because he was inexperienced and vets were taking his spot. He was scratched because he was playing genuinely awful. Which isn't to say that playing on a different team couldn't turn things around for him(I think it could) but the change has to start with him. He needs to buy in to the team mentality, accept that he's not going to be gifted PP time and big minutes and just do his job. If he earns them, the opportunities will come. If he demands them, they won't.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It was hip surgery just fyi although the effect is basically the same either way. He got plenty of top 6 time last season. He just didn't do anything with it. He wasn't getting scratched in the playoffs because he was inexperienced and vets were taking his spot. He was scratched because he was playing genuinely awful. Which isn't to say that playing on a different team couldn't turn things around for him(I think it could) but the change has to start with him. He needs to buy in to the team mentality, accept that he's not going to be gifted PP time and big minutes and just do his job. If he earns them, the opportunities will come. If he demands them, they won't.

I guess I misremembered, this is a very true post though.

I think he'd get a chance in the Pens top 9 though, not sure on the PP time but maybe Malkin can help him? A Russian teammate who's won 2 cups...I'd be all ears if I was a young forward.

 

[dechire]

I guess I misremembered, this is a very true post though.

I think he'd get a chance in the Pens top 9 though, not sure on the PP time but maybe Malkin can help him? A Russian teammate who's won 2 cups...I'd be all ears if I was a young forward.

I know he's said before that not having any Russians on the team is hard for him. I don't think it's a team's job to make everyone comfortable but for Val specifically it might be something he needs and playing with someone like Malkin could make a big difference. But even beyond the shared nationality I think any player would love to play with Crosby and Malkin

 

[WTFMAN99]

I know he's said before that not having any Russians on the team is hard for him. I don't think it's a team's job to make everyone comfortable but for Val specifically it might be something he needs and playing with someone like Malkin could make a big difference. But even beyond the shared nationality I think any player would love to play with Crosby and Malkin

Yeah.

Big reason I opted to choose Pouliot as a fit for Dallas was although Lindell is there and he looks like a beauty, Hamhuis and Oduya aren't exactly young either, could give them a young guy to fit in for the future on the left side.

Right side looks good for the foreseeable future with Klingberg and Honka.

 

[Shootertooter]

I imagine the discussion would involve the details of where they are at with the contract details. If Nuke wants $5-6mil, well...bye. If he's in the $2-3mil range, it may be worth the time to look into it.

IIRC, Nuke wanted a bigger role on the team didn't he? Hell, send him to Pittsburgh where he can be Malkin's new best friend and help them keep the 3 scoring lines together.

Problem right now is that he's unsigned...so if he won't sign with the Stars and the deal they offer him, team won't want to give up much.

Doesn't he get third line minutes? how could he reasonably expect 5-6million?

 

[Homesick]

Derrick Pouliot isn't that great but how does Valeri Nichushkin have any value at all?