Without reading more than page 1 of this thread - I love that Chevy is signing these guys before playoffs. Sometimes players/teams have a ton of jam when new contracts are handed out, everyone should be fired up.
Confirmed with Link: Pionk extension 6 years 7 AAV
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kanadalainen
A pint of dark matter, please.
Suffering mother of moses, I go off to hide (and perhaps do a bit of work) and we have this new deal.
I don't mind this at all.
Good work Lord Chevhaus
I don't mind this at all.
Good work Lord Chevhaus
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he ops for arbitration which I expect both him and Gabe to do then he'd no longer be eligible for an OS?
If they aren't signed to a sheet before that.
As soon as they file, they cna't sign an offer sheet.
kanadalainen
A pint of dark matter, please.
I'm in hell now (with all due respect to my hallowed workplace), and really can't dent this thick ice sheet.
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I love that Chevy has found a way to keep high character guys. Sounds like the room is super tight and they want to stay together
Don't look now, but these guys are turning into real Winnipeggers lol
Don't look now, but these guys are turning into real Winnipeggers lol
Better call over Iafallo with his chainsaw!
Love the signing because A) Pionk is a good defenseman
B) He plays with a bit of a edge
C) No way in hell we would be able to get a defenseman like him in Free Agency.
Chevy is getting shit done and i love it, now on to Ehlers.
B) He plays with a bit of a edge
C) No way in hell we would be able to get a defenseman like him in Free Agency.
Chevy is getting shit done and i love it, now on to Ehlers.
Heinola is never going to be a number 2 defenseman on any team and we also have no clue what Salomonsson is going to turn out to be. At the very least this now gives Salomonsson and the Jets more time to try and develop him.
Also Salomonsson's game leads more to taking over DeMelo's role then Pionk's. Given how DeMelo's game has fallen off a bit the last two years it wouldn't surprise me if DeMelo is on the bottom pairing in another couple of years, opening up a top 4 spot for Elias.
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That actually seems to be how they set up his progression path. In another year a spot on the bottom pairing opens up, and then two years after that DeMelo is off the books. So to me it looks like the development plan is 2 years x Moose, 2x third pairing and then top 4.
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Here are Pionk's WOWY shot metrics/analytics for each year of his current contract:
TGI Samberg. Pionk should be paying him a $4M/year commission for the next 6. Better hope Samberg doesn't arbitrate his way right to UFA after next season...
| 2021-22 | CF% | FF% | SF% | GF-GA | GF% | xGF% | SCF% | HDCF% |
| w/Pionk | 47% | 47% | 46% | 58-57 +1 | 50% | 47% | 47% | 45% |
| w/o Pionk | 51% | 51% | 51% | 98-105 -7 | 48% | 51% | 51% | 59% |
| 2022-23 | CF% | FF% | SF% | GF-GA | GF% | xGF% | SCF% | HDCF% |
| w/Pionk | 49% | 50% | 47% | 57-65 -8 | 47% | 48% | 48% | 49% |
| w/o Pionk | 53% | 52% | 51% | 101-82 +19 | 55% | 54% | 55% | 55% |
| 2023-24 | CF% | FF% | SF% | GF-GA | GF% | xGF% | SCF% | HDCF% |
| w/Pionk | 49% | 49% | 48% | 58-52 +6 | 53% | 48% | 48% | 47% |
| w/o Pionk | 52% | 53% | 53% | 120-69 +51 | 63% | 53% | 53% | 52% |
| 2024-25 | CF% | FF% | SF% | GF-GA | GF% | xGF% | SCF% | HDCF% |
| w/Pionk | 51% | 51% | 52% | 53-37 +16 | 59% | 52% | 51% | 52% |
| w/o Pionk | 50% | 50% | 50% | 117-82 +35 | 59% | 53% | 52% | 54% |
TGI Samberg. Pionk should be paying him a $4M/year commission for the next 6. Better hope Samberg doesn't arbitrate his way right to UFA after next season...
Context matters though.
How many of those players are bottom pairing or replacement level guys like Fleury and Stanley, playing with Pionk on the top 4 because of injury? Then, when they go back to their heavy sheltering on the bottom pair, put up better numbers than when they are playing way above their capabilities.
Samberg has been much better with Pionk than without him.
One year too long and about $500K aav more than I would have liked, but its market value for a 10g, 40pt, RHD that plays in your top 4. I just don't think we'll be happy with this contract in 3+ yrs. But hey, 3+ yrs is 3+ yrs from now. Alot can happen in 3+ yrs.
Nice to have Nino, AI and Pionk re-sign for multiple years. Just shows how tight this group is and their love for one another and the organization. Once you're here, most want to stay. If Chevy can get KFC, Vilardi and Samberg signed to a long term deals this summer/fall, then this is the core group we're gonna have for the next several years.
Mix in a Salomonsson, Lambert and Yager to add some youth and this group might just have perennial success for next several years.
Nice to have Nino, AI and Pionk re-sign for multiple years. Just shows how tight this group is and their love for one another and the organization. Once you're here, most want to stay. If Chevy can get KFC, Vilardi and Samberg signed to a long term deals this summer/fall, then this is the core group we're gonna have for the next several years.
Mix in a Salomonsson, Lambert and Yager to add some youth and this group might just have perennial success for next several years.
cbcwpg
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Pionk has his ups and downs, but I like what he brings and how he plays. No problem with the deal. And if you let him go, who would replace him? Tiny Hinny Heinola? Not in this life time. I think we are seeing the last of Heinola.
Not so sure about that...Pionk without Samberg this year looks a lot like Pionk in the previous 3 seasons statistically (breakeven GF, underwater on metrics).
Samberg without Pionk has been worse than when he's with Pionk, but still a lot closer to decent than Pionk was without Samberg.
Anyway, as long as they're paired together, it's not a problem.
Pionk has consistently been our second highest scoring defenseman since he's been here. Take him out of the lineup and we have nobody on defense to replace that offense. But it would be easy for Chevy to trade for another Pionk or sign one in Free agency.
Pionk has consistently been our second highest scoring defenseman since he's been here. Take him out of the lineup and we have nobody on defense to replace that offense. But it would be easy for Chevy to trade for another Pionk or sign one in Free agency.
Yup and our schemes are setup so that the defense plays a big role in the teams offense.
I like Hinola better then most but he hasn't proven he can contribute offensively at the NHL level.
AlphaLackey
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I'll have those three Cup banners to dry my tears on.
Dirtyclapper
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Certified beauty. The one on the team who embodies my alias on here the most.
At the end of the day, this isn't much of a raise for Pionk in terms of percentage of the cap hit.
Last deal: $5.875M x 4 = 7.21% of the 2021 Cap of $81.5M.
This deal: $7M x 6 = 7.33% of the 2025 Cap of $95.5M (est.).
It's a cap-inflation-adjusted extension.
Last deal: $5.875M x 4 = 7.21% of the 2021 Cap of $81.5M.
This deal: $7M x 6 = 7.33% of the 2025 Cap of $95.5M (est.).
It's a cap-inflation-adjusted extension.
And remarkably similar to the developmental path the organization laid out for Samberg.
FiveHoled
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With all these UFA signings lately, Chevy must be worrying about his cottage time after what's goin to be a loooong play-off run.
Duke749
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Market value? Should age well the next couple of seasons before losing value in the last year or two. Having no holes in the top 4 is very key.
Still hard to believe we got Trouba’s best years only to flip him for Pionk and a 1st and watch Trouba fall off a cliff while getting severely overpaid. Talk about Chevy looking like a genius… again.
Still hard to believe we got Trouba’s best years only to flip him for Pionk and a 1st and watch Trouba fall off a cliff while getting severely overpaid. Talk about Chevy looking like a genius… again.
Deno
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This is a great point.He was a real pleasure to watch last night. Think I'm just going to throw away all my misgivings and celebrate this (until I hear the AAV)*.
The bigger story is how Chevy is getting business done well before the off-season and before any crazy cap inflation.
This team is on a roll but so is our GM
*Addendum: 6x$7M is just fine
In 3 years time this contract will look like a bargain. Jets are obviously doing something right, so many of their player gotten through trades end up resigning.
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