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Twain said:
Friedman's view was that the actual birthday is irrelevant, because he turns 26 before the end of the NHL calendar year which is June 30th and therefore 1/3 buyout can't be done even if it was before his birthday. He wasn't 100% sure, but this was what someone had told him.
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Details are spelled out in the CBA. Like the age you are deemed when you sign an NHL contract goes by the age you are by September 15 of that year. But, for UFA status, if you don't get in the necessary accrued seasons if you has a post June 30 birthday, then you have to wait another year before you can be a UFA as you are only 26 by July 1, but 27 days/weeks later.

So, cutoff day can vary for different situations of the CBA.

Somewhere in the CBA this is spelled out.

* Edit - I do think it would be best to just be consistent and use 1 day as the cutoff for all situations.
 
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Lt Dan said:
Considering the Kings' cap postion, buying out PLD makes infinitely much more sense than giving away Byfield and adding two players who's cap totals are over 17 mil.

If the Kings buyout PLD that money can go towards Byfield and the Kings can address their other more glaring problems
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Agreed, but w/2 asterisks

Any buyout is dead cap, and while sooner than later is cheaper, any buyout will be a nice chunk of change for an ongoing period.

The other thing is bread + Shesty are elite adds.
They might add short term to payroll, but that can be absorbed with cuts elsewhere (assuming Shesty is not flipped) and in any event, these would provide structural cap relief because production is 2 players short term replacing one player long term.

But if you value Byfield highly enough then keeping him is the correct move.

But it's close.
Byfield projects as an emerging, possibly a star pivot, but is he McDavid level? no.
 
bernmeister said:
Agreed, but w/2 asterisks

Any buyout is dead cap, and while sooner than later is cheaper, any buyout will be a nice chunk of change for an ongoing period.

The other thing is bread + Shesty are elite adds.
They might add short term to payroll, but that can be absorbed with cuts elsewhere (assuming Shesty is not flipped) and in any event, these would provide structural cap relief because production is 2 players short term replacing one player long term.

But if you value Byfield highly enough then keeping him is the correct move.

But it's close.
Byfield projects as an emerging, possibly a star pivot, but is he McDavid level? no.
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Any GM trading Byfield with PLD should be fired unless they were getting someone ridiculous.

Byfield is not just a prospect but a guaranteed young player with lots of growth ahead.
 
tomd said:
Yeah, at this point I can't really come up with a good reason NOT to buy him out. That $7 million in cap space is absolutely needed to improve the team.
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Kings can buy him out at 1/3 salary. Caphit be only 1.4 million. He's only 25
 
tny760 said:
oh not 24 hours after calling kings fans donkeys for the 1000th time on his own show for suggesting it, suddenly a buyout is on the table now

f***in fencesitting scumbag
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Wouldn't be surprised if he was just pandering to the hab audience.

With that said 690 is f***ing trash
 
Lt Dan said:
I'll go the other way on this. First of all your question. I am guessing buyouts must be completed before 6/24, hence the amount change

The buyout for this offseason for PLDunce is very easy to swallow (TWSS)
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The Kings are in cap hell, They have to let Roy and Arrrrrvidsson walk and they have to sign Byfield, who is likely going to want Stutzle money. If they can't trade him or have to retain more than the buyout, buying him out now creates almost 7 mil in cap space this season for a team that desperately needs it.



Buying out PLDufus now mitigates the NMC
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and the buyout is much cheaper this offseason than next year


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and the buyout of PLDingo it's even worse the season after
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I think this nicely sums up the obvious case for a buyout of PLD.

From a Habs fan perspective, we don't have a 7 year capdump contract to swap, therefore it makes no sense to force a trade for PLD (with Gally or Josh Anderson). The Habs will be looking to be competitive in years 3 - 7 of that contract. The time frame when Gally/Josh are off the books. Why would the Habs make an unforced error and take on a proven problem child with that contract?
 
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Kudelski37 said:
The Kings had better point production from the 22-23 group of regular centers (Kopitar, Danault,Lizotte, and Kupari) than this year's group where PLD replaced Kupari. It takes less than 1 million dollars to replace that production if the Kings continue to misuse Byfield on wing.
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The odds are that your production from Kopitar and Danault is going to diminish year over year. If I'm a betting man, Dubois produces more than any of the four you mentioned over the next three seasons assuming everyone's healthy.

We need to remember that Dubois is a 60 point a year player on average. And considering the position he plays, that's a difficult positional player to replace. $1m gets you squat.
 
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KrisLetAngry said:
Any GM trading Byfield with PLD should be fired unless they were getting someone ridiculous.

Byfield is not just a prospect but a guaranteed young player with lots of growth ahead.
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agreed. But i consider the inclusion of 2 elites, Panarin + Shesterkin, to be sufficiently ridiculous.

Scintillating10 said:
Kings can buy him out at 1/3 salary. Caphit be only 1.4 million. He's only 25
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Initially but then I believe it goes up and it is several yrs
 
The only chance the Kings could move him, would be for a Huberdeau, and I’m not even sure Calgary would. The Kings are gonna have to swallow this one for the foreseeable future.
 
Here's a twist. LA needs to buyout PLD 48 hours before he turns 26, to reap the benefits of the lower 1/3 buyout. So they need to buyout PLD on or before June 22. However, the buyout period does not start until after the NHL season is over (when Stanley cup is awarded). The NHL season could go as late as June 24!!

LA, may end up in a situation where the buyout of PLD is 2/3 of the caphit/salary, over twice the remaining years.
 
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Junohockeyfan said:
Here's a twist. LA needs to buyout PLD 48 hours before he turns 26, to reap the benefits of the lower 1/3 buyout. So they need to buyout PLD on or before June 22. However, the buyout period does not start until after the NHL season is over (when Stanley cup is awarded). The NHL season could go as late as June 24!!

LA, may end up in a situation where the buyout of PLD is 2/3 of the caphit/salary, over twice the remaining years.
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The agent of chaos in me hopes the NHL playoffs go past his birthday just to see what the hell Dubois does. A buyout would be incredibly tough to see given how much they gave up.

However, the impacts of 80 in the room compounded with the on-ice play could leave them no choice.
 
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GaryPoppins said:
The agent of chaos in me hopes the NHL playoffs go past his birthday just to see what the hell Dubois does. A buyout would be incredibly tough to see given how much they gave up.

However, the impacts of 80 in the room compounded with the on-ice play could leave them no choice.
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Every series game 7, maxmum pain.
 
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He's gonna either be bought out or claimed in the expansion draft.

He does very good things defensively though. But takes very dumb penalties.
 
Kings give us a good asset and take on Carry Price contract for Dubois? LA get out from the whole 8.5 million. Park Price in LTIR. Price due 15 million next 2 years then a third year at 1.5 million
Habs buy out Dubois they have tons caproom. Around 1.4m in caproom is chump change to them. Costs Habs 10 million in cash but over 16 years. But we gain good asset.
 
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absolute garbage said:
It's not 31M because you can buy him out for 1/3. It's just under 16M. $1,130,952 x 14.

This is the last offseason you can buy him out for 1/3. If you don't buy him out now, you're going to be stuck with that contract for a long time. Interesting decision.
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It's $31M if they buy him out after he turns 26 on June 24th. The 1/3 buyout before age 26 does seem close to what the Wild paid for both Parise and Suter (combined). Big decision to make for sure. Cap hits are not idea in some of those seasons but at the time when the cap is $92M+

* Before June 24th (buyout at age 25): $15.8M over 14 years
* June 24th+ (buyout at age 26): $31.7M over 14 years.

Play with this buyout calculator on Cap Friendly. Change the date from Jun 23 and then to Jun 24.

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Scintillating10 said:
Kings give us a good asset and take on Carry Price contract for Dubois? LA get out from the whole 8.5 million. Park Price in LTIR. Price due 15 million next 2 years then a third year at 1.5 million
Habs buy out Dubois they have tons caproom. Around 1.4m in caproom is chump change to them. Costs Habs 10 million in cash but over 16 years. But we gain good asset.
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LTIR contract with Price is probably insured. The only tricky part with the LTIR is staying under the cap before the season or after. If you need to use the LTIR contract before the season starts to get under the cap, you can't accrue cap space as the season moves along and I think any ELC performance bonuses are automatically deferred to the following season.

This makes it worse for the Habs without any current anchor contract going the other way. Has to be one of Gallagher or Anderson or both. Price can stay or be included but that is a minor part to the trade conversation.
 
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There is no scenario where bringing in nuclear level toxicity in the Habs young lockeroom is acceptable.

Are people forgetting that the Jets players were bailing until PLDonkey got traded?

Let LA deal with a buyout or live with their decision. Or if they don't want to afford that, trade him and add substantial assets for someone else to buy him out. But not us....
 
belair said:
The odds are that your production from Kopitar and Danault is going to diminish year over year. If I'm a betting man, Dubois produces more than any of the four you mentioned over the next three seasons assuming everyone's healthy.

We need to remember that Dubois is a 60 point a year player on average. And considering the position he plays, that's a difficult positional player to replace. $1m gets you squat.
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There is not a single skill or attribute that PLD was even average at this season. He looks like Mike Richards or Dustin Brown at the end of their careers. I would not be surprised if Kopitar is still in the NHL after Dubois' last NHL game.
 
HabsAddict said:
There is no scenario where bringing in nuclear level toxicity in the Habs young lockeroom is acceptable.

Are people forgetting that the Jets players were bailing until PLDonkey got traded?

Let LA deal with a buyout or live with their decision. Or if they don't want to afford that, trade him and add substantial assets for someone else to buy him out. But not us....
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Nuclear level toxicity is exaggerating things beyond the actual reality. Fans are fueling each other right now and it's a bandwagon party out of control.

Kings will likely stay put and try to manage the situation better next year. Fun to chit chat about this situation right now however.
 
Junohockeyfan said:
Here's a twist. LA needs to buyout PLD 48 hours before he turns 26, to reap the benefits of the lower 1/3 buyout. So they need to buyout PLD on or before June 22. However, the buyout period does not start until after the NHL season is over (when Stanley cup is awarded). The NHL season could go as late as June 24!!

LA, may end up in a situation where the buyout of PLD is 2/3 of the caphit/salary, over twice the remaining years.
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eye opener!!!
 
Whalers Fan said:
There is no announced timetable for expansion, so there will be no expansion draft for several years.
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Concur
Ks have a better -- but highly unlikely -- shot that they will allow 1 or 2 compliance or whatever you called it buyouts, like a get out of jail free card. Still have to make good fully on all of contract, if I remember -- but no cap hit
 
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