Value of: Pierre Luc Dubois

[Lt Dan]

What consequences -- any buyout will dead cap, how much dep on when.
No ?, an early buyout is better $ wise than a late one.
But as i believe you pointed out, kings are up vs cap limit now.
So dead cap via buyout IS an option, but it will force countermoves.

As to the props listed not just yr post but the thread, I don't see anything other than my post which either is realistic enough to be made or beats my offer. Consider:

If it is = bad contract for equal bad contract, that is not appreciably beneficial, like rearranging decks on the titanic. Also why does other team go there?

A lesser bad contract for pld works for you, but logic says other teams not likely to do Kings any favors, so unrealistic expectations.

A combo of worse bad contracts for LA is also problematic.

I saw something around Cout. straight up. Don't see Philly doing that. And too lazy to check what is his contract status, but if you acquire him and he breaks down, but not enuf for LTIR, you're effed.

Now if you open the door I'm presenting, in the short term Panarin more than offset loss of Byfield.
And Shesterkin is huge improvement.
And you are moving pld full pop, no retention.
All of that is a win, for of course Byfield

now yes you are taking on more cap. But you are
-- avoiding having to pay Byfield on his rfa,
-- getting structural relief by adding shorter term bread for pld
[bread even w/extension is not gonna be the 7 yrs remaining on pld's deal]
-- add to cost of G but Shesty is worth it
-- and you can cut short term on depth to get production from both Shesty + bread w/no dead cap;; think of this as productive bridge w/extension opportunities while you await graceful exits of Kopitar/Doughty

ok so I don't understand
You are agreeing with me that he needs to be bought out now?

 

[Trash Panda]

1.5 of dead cap and no PLD polluting the roster is better than 8.5 of dead cap with that lazy Frenchmen poisoning the well.

He has to go. It’s gonna hurt, but he simply cannot be on the roster next year.

 

[tny760]

He's 26, 6'4", 225, strong, physical, versatile positionally, and his career low is 40 points over a full season.

Not many players in the league with that profile, warts and large contract or not.

where the hell does he get this reputation for being strong and physical? he certainly tries to play a puck protection game but he's so rigid and upright that he can't protect shit. the dude hemorrhages the softest turnovers i've ever seen and never even tries to recover. and he doesn't hit to boot

ALL he has is height and age, this "i can fix him" attitude from GMs is what's gotten him to this point in the first place

 

[kilowatt]

You're too generous. I was going to offer Couturier and Petersen for PLD @50%, in the hopes that being forced to play under Torts again would cause PLD to retire outright. (Also, I want to see a team defense featuring both Couturier and Danault, that sounds nifty.)

Taking back the Petersen contract that Blake signed and had to panic-trade to get out of for an even worse contract he panic-traded for would be so f***ing funny that I'm inclined to say yes just for the hilarity of it all

He's 26, 6'4", 225, strong, physical, versatile positionally, and his career low is 40 points over a full season.

Fixed that a little bit. And he reached that new career low this season, and the odds of him getting better or more interested in playing hockey are not looking great.

But hopefully someone will take him

 

[sansabri]

where the hell does he get this reputation for being strong and physical? he certainly tries to play a puck protection game but he's so rigid and upright that he can't protect shit. the dude hemorrhages the softest turnovers i've ever seen and never even tries to recover. and he doesn't hit to boot

ALL he has is height and age, this "i can fix him" attitude from GMs is what's gotten him to this point in the first place

that one series against the Leafs

 

[HuGort]

Bernstein was on 690 today, said Dubois could be bought out.

 

[tny760]

Bernstein was on 690 today, said Dubois could be bought out.

oh not 24 hours after calling kings fans donkeys for the 1000th time on his own show for suggesting it, suddenly a buyout is on the table now

f***in fencesitting scumbag

 

[HuGort]

oh not 24 hours after calling kings fans donkeys for the 1000th time on his own show for suggesting it, suddenly a buyout is on the table now

f***in fencesitting scumbag

Bernstein: Dubois buyout is an option

Campbell vs Gallo chat with Dennis Bernstein of The Fourth Period about the NHL playoffs and the LA Kings

www.tsn.ca

 

[wintersej]

How bad the contract is is being overrated with his age and how much the cap is going up. It’s a better contract than say Hertl’s.

 

[HuGort]

Bernstein said it's dicey situation. Blake has to go to management and ask for 27 million to pay a guy not to play for them. But he needs the caproom to fix his team. Netminding

 

[tny760]

Bernstein said it's dicey situation. Blake has to go to management and ask for 27 million to pay a guy not to play for them. But he needs the caproom to fix his team. Netminding

pay him $27M to go away or pay some other shitter on a bad contract $27M or pay $27M in retention to get rid of him

buyout is far and away the most logical solution if you eliminate "we can fix him" from the equation, this guy is toxic and he couldn't put it together for yet another 2 coaches

 

[Kurrilino]

How bad the contract is is being overrated with his age and how much the cap is going up. It’s a better contract than say Hertl’s.

PLD is paid to be the 1st line center, a role which he can't even remotely fill.
Hertel's contract is irrelevant regarding this topic.

 

[joestevens29]

He may be strong, but he damn sure isn’t physical 99% of the time.

Guy is a full blown floater.

He reminds me of Dustin Penner. When he wanted to play he was a force out there. Problem was didn't do it nearly enough

 

[wintersej]

PLD is paid to be the 1st line center, a role which he can't even remotely fill.
Hertel's contract is irrelevant regarding this topic.

In a couple years that will be the UFA rate for a 2C. And he will still be 27. Someone like Hertl will be 400 years old, you won’t get those old years with this contract.

 

[joestevens29]

How bad the contract is is being overrated with his age and how much the cap is going up. It’s a better contract than say Hertl’s.

Sure you can damn near always find a worse contract out there. Doesn't mean you should keep it, especially when you have the chance to get out at 1/3.

Not a Kings fan, but one would think ideally Blake gets fired. Whoever comes in first thing they say in interview is buyout PLD and then first thing do when hired is buy him out.

Not suggesting that PLD won't ever be good again, but the impact of him continuing to play the way he did this year would do a lot more damage than 16mil spread out over 14 years.

In a couple years that will be the UFA rate for a 2C. And he will still be 27. Someone like Hertl will be 400 years old, you won’t get those old years with this contract.

It's Vegas they don't need to worry about Hertl not performing to his cap hit.

 

[belair]

Buying out PLD would be pointless IMO.

Even at the favorable cap penalty, you still need to fill that role with an equal or better offensive player for the difference in salaries. Assuming Kopitar regresses over the next three seasons, odds are the expectations of PLD increase along with his icetime and meaningful offensive role.

He was without question a disappointment in this series, but he's a kid in his mid 20s with size and the pedigree to be an impactful forward.

If the goal is immediately improving, LA should focus on the area that has stood out the most over the last three playoff runs--their goaltending.

 

[tny760]

Sure you can damn near always find a worse contract out there. Doesn't mean you should keep it, especially when you have the chance to get out at 1/3.

Not a Kings fan, but one would think ideally Blake gets fired. Whoever comes in first thing they say in interview is buyout PLD and then first thing do when hired is buy him out.

Not suggesting that PLD won't ever be good again, but the impact of him continuing to play the way he did this year would do a lot more damage than 16mil spread out over 14 years.

if they only fire blake, that more than likely means bergevin takes over and voila, new boss same as the old boss. bergevin and brisson are buddy buddy, no questioning PLD because that means he's taking money out of brisson's pockets

only way to fix this is to finally cut the whole cancer out via AEG legitimately cleaning house

 

[Unbiased Fan]

PLD and Roy for Seth Jones

 

[BLONG7]

A buyout is about his only value................man did Chevy fleece Blake.

PLD making 8.5M per season, producing 40 pts has no value guys.
Even at 50% retention the Kings would get held hostage in adding a 1st rounder

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

If a buyout is a genuine option on the table, Blake and the rest are all gone. That'd be an admission of a horrific mistake, one that has cost millions and harmed the team. Everyone involved needs to go.

 

[bernmeister]

ok so I don't understand
You are agreeing with me that he needs to be bought out now?

I am saying to extent IF AND ONLY IF it is determined that there must be a buyout, full period, stop, THEN AND IN THAT EVENT I am agreeing with you; if it is a binary choice buyout now v buyout later, then yes, buyout now as you suggested, the #s make more sense.

BUT I am also saying buyout is NOT best option compared to my offer..
I did not say
pld + byfield for like Rs 2025 7th
which is great cap wise but otherwise gives you nothing.

I offered 2 elite pieces
Shesty + Panarin
for
Byfield + pld

that is a signif piece to surrender, but everything else in LA favor

main pt as to buyouts, any buyout = dead cap and it is not short term

 

[FlameChampion]

How about Dubois for Laine? Lets go full circle haha

 

[NotTheRocketman]

I think LA has got to buy him out.

He's burned THREE teams now, and no one is willing to be the fourth.

 

[Lt Dan]

I am saying to extent IF AND ONLY IF it is determined that there must be a buyout, full period, stop, THEN AND IN THAT EVENT I am agreeing with you; if it is a binary choice buyout now v buyout later, then yes, buyout now as you suggested, the #s make more sense.

BUT I am also saying buyout is NOT best option compared to my offer..
I did not say
pld + byfield for like Rs 2025 7th
which is great cap wise but otherwise gives you nothing.

I offered 2 elite pieces
Shesty + Panarin
for
Byfield + pld

that is a signif piece to surrender, but everything else in LA favor

main pt as to buyouts, any buyout = dead cap and it is not short term

Considering the Kings' cap postion, buying out PLD makes infinitely much more sense than giving away Byfield and adding two players who's cap totals are over 17 mil.

If the Kings buyout PLD that money can go towards Byfield and the Kings can address their other more glaring problems

 

[Seattle King]

Totally fine with a PLD buyout now, but only if Blake is axed first. I dont want that clown writing any more checks for this organization. I dont know how you can f*** up a buyout but Blake will manage to find out.