Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again

[Ugmo]

Did anyone else catch that Daly didn't know they were starting to build an arena in QC?

Add that to the fact that PKP didn't know the Coyotes had been eliminated, and it's looking pretty good for la belle province.

 

[Whileee]

Did anyone else catch that Daly didn't know they were starting to build an arena in QC?

That was hilarious. He didn't even sound awkward about it. Maybe he doesn't speak French.

 

[Killion]

There was some chatter during the morning show on the Fan today that the deal the league and Gosebe were working on for the group to buy the team and have the league take it back in 3 years if it doesn't work out. Don't think there's any credible evidence that there was any deal being structured that way, but I belive that's where this 'give the team back' thought came from.

Thats pretty crazy. I cant see the BOG's ever going for something like that. Either your in or your out. Imagine the precedent? Lose money hand over fist and no problem, the league'll take back the franchise & make me whole. Like leasing a luxury vehicle with a full rebate. You dont buy out the Lease from the Dealer, they buy you out, give you all your money back or not depending on whether or not you wanna keep the car... Thats a good one. Why dont you go try that one on your local Lexus or Mercedes Dealer Mr. Gosbee. Hah!

 

[NHLfan4life]

Add that to the fact that PKP didn't know the Coyotes had been eliminated, and it's looking pretty good for la belle province.

I just found that funny. Was he playing stupid? Or is it not a big deal? Even the guy asking the question didn't have a clue.

 

[cutchemist42]

So the Sacramento Kings are staying put.....

 

[Killion]

So the Sacramento Kings are staying put.....

Oh? Has this been confirmed cc? NBA's forcing a local sale?... if so, then how about this? How about Hansen just plunging ahead, buying an NHL franchise, namely the Coyotes, putting the great game of hockey ahead of basketball where it belongs to begin with? If he did that, then Seattle would be to my way of thinking a whole lot more viable, serious. Not just a light dessert to the main course.

 

[madhi19]

There was some chatter during the morning show on the Fan today that the deal the league and Gosebe were working on for the group to buy the team and have the league take it back in 3 years if it doesn't work out.

Don't think there's any credible evidence that there was any deal being structured that way, but I belive that's where this 'give the team back' thought came from.

It would not shock me to learn that the NHL badly want to kick that mess down the road another 3 years especially if they can find a sucker willing to eat the loss for them. That was one of the initial offer the NHL made to TSNE (Own to move later.) and I bet they made the same offer to PKP. That all about shifting the blame of the relocation somewhere else. The question is are they willing to let a third party flip it for a profit and will the COG let them sign a short term lease?

Thats pretty crazy. I cant see the BOG's ever going for something like that. Either your in or your out. Imagine the precedent? Lose money hand over fist and no problem, the league'll take back the franchise & make me whole. Like leasing a luxury vehicle with a full rebate. You dont buy out the Lease from the Dealer, they buy you out, give you all your money back or not depending on whether or not you wanna keep the car... Thats a good one. Why dont you go try that one on your local Lexus or Mercedes Dealer Mr. Gosbee. Hah!

I doubt that the offer it more like we give you your purchase money back if you can't flip it but you eat the loss.

 

[cbcwpg]

There was some chatter during the morning show on the Fan today that the deal the league and Gosebe were working on for the group to buy the team and have the league take it back in 3 years if it doesn't work out.

Don't think there's any credible evidence that there was any deal being structured that way, but I belive that's where this 'give the team back' thought came from.

Yup, the ol' Out Clause.

Interesting though...

1- the general concensus is that it will take more than 3 years to turn this boat around, so after just 3 years you won't be quite sure it's not going to work out. And generally the NHL wants a 7 year committment.

2- As far as "give it back" is this truly just saying to the NHL " Hey I tried, here you go " or does the owner actually want his money back, to "give it back "? Who would spend $150 large and then just throw the keys on Gary's desk and walk away with out getting some of that $150M back, and certainly after just 3 years? $50M a year for the privledge of losing even more on top of that!!??

Yeah no wonder Daly said there is work to be done.

 

[SharksFan1978]

Oh? Has this been confirmed cc? NBA's forcing a local sale?... if so, then how about this? How about Hansen just plunging ahead, buying an NHL franchise, namely the Coyotes, putting the great game of hockey ahead of basketball where it belongs to begin with? If he did that, then Seattle would be to my way of thinking a whole lot more viable, serious. Not just a light dessert to the main course.

The committee voted unanimously today to recommend nixing the relocation application, so the relocation option is gone. The only hope Seattle has now is that the NBA will award them an expansion franchise.

As for the NHL in Seattle, with respect to Hansen and his deal, it can't happen without the NBA. It would be great, but it won't work. Building needs to have two tenants to be economically viable, and the NBA has to come first just to even get the shovels in the ground at this point.

Now if this somehow derails things altogether (i.e.--no expansion team either), I guess you could go back to the talks that Don Levin and others were having about building an NHL arena in the affluent city of Bellevue just east of Seattle, but there was very little said in public about that because word leaked out well after Hansen and Co. were on their way with their plan.

The NBA will be incredibly short-sighted f they do not offer SEA an expansion team here...guess we'll see what happens.

 

[Killion]

It would not shock me to learn that the NHL badly want to kick that mess down the road another 3 years especially if they can find a sucker willing to eat the loss for them. That was one of the initial offer the NHL made to TSNE (Own to move later.) and I bet they made the same offer to PKP. That all about shifting the blame of the relocation somewhere else. The question is are they willing to let a third party flip it for a profit and will the COG let them sign a short term lease?

Ya more craziness huh madhi? Can you imagine TNSE or PKP ever agreeing to such nonsense? And if your a fan or a member of the business community in Phoenix, and youve got reps from essentially a Winnipeg with its own building or Quebec with not only a temporary home but a new building on the way, and your being asked to buy into some guff that their even remotely sincere about making it work in Glendale? This is the whole charade with Balsillie all over again in Pittsburgh & Nashville, only this time if its true the NHL did propose this, theyve stolen a page out of his playbook.... and yes, I do believe the COG would go for a short-term lease at $6M per year in Management Fee's, provided the owner was believable, and that would exclude someone who's postal or zip code is in Seattle, Saskatoonio, Markham or Quebec City.

 

[madhi19]

The committee voted unanimously today to recommend nixing the relocation application, so the relocation option is gone. The only hope Seattle has now is that the NBA will award them an expansion franchise.

As for the NHL in Seattle, with respect to Hansen and his deal, it can't happen without the NBA. It would be great, but it won't work. Building needs to have two tenants to be economically viable, and the NBA has to come first just to even get the shovels in the ground at this point.

Now if this somehow derails things altogether (i.e.--no expansion team either), I guess you could go back to the talks that Don Levin and others were having about building an NHL arena in the affluent city of Bellevue just east of Seattle, but there was very little said in public about that because word leaked out well after Hansen and Co. were on their way with their plan.

The NBA will be incredibly short-sighted f they do not offer SEA an expansion team here...guess we'll see what happens.

Could this be what the NHL been waiting for to move on or it just a side show? Only time will tell.

Ya more craziness huh madhi? Can you imagine TNSE or PKP ever agreeing to such nonsense? And if your a fan or a member of the business community in Phoenix, and youve got reps from essentially a Winnipeg with its own building or Quebec with not only a temporary home but a new building on the way, and your being asked to buy into some guff that their even remotely sincere about making it work in Glendale? This is the whole charade with Balsillie all over again in Pittsburgh & Nashville, only this time if its true the NHL did propose this, theyve stolen a page out of his playbook.... and yes, I do believe the COG would go for a short-term lease at $6M per year in Management Fee's, provided the owner was believable, and that would exclude someone who's postal or zip code is in Seattle, Saskatoonio, Markham or Quebec City.

I said they made the offer at least to TSNE the PKP part is speculation I did not say either were interested.

 

[Vinc360]

Bill Daly was on TSN Radio just now, here's the rundown of what he said:

- As long as progress is being made in the Coyotes situation, it's easier for them to remain in Glendale under NHL ownership.

- If you asked him, last year, if the league would keep the Coyotes in Glendale without an owner this year, he would have said no. That's why he doesn't want to answer this question this year because he was surprised by events that happened. He hopes not to be "surprised" again.

- On Seattle: They are interested in the city for the future, but they have no plans for now.

- On realignment + Coyotes going to the east: That would be the same thing as Winnipeg, proving that it's possible. It's certainly not ideal but it's not impossible at all. Going west would be better short term, but going east is possible.

- On Quebec: "At the appropriate time, I'm sure they'll have a franchise."

- Winnipeg changed the equation when it comes to looking at relocation/expansion to smaller markets. Winnipeg was incredibly instructive about small markets that are hockey crazy. VERY instructive about the fact that smaller, hockey crazy canadian markets, they can support teams. The question, now, is if that market "adds to the pie", are Canadian TV deals gonna be bigger because of that franchise.

Interview still going... listen live here http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/


...A deal with TVA would make sense if you take all that into consideration.


Update, adding more:

- Expansion not on the table because league isn't healthy enough right now...

 

[HanzalSoHotRightNow]

“@PaulGiblinAriz: LeBlanc, Gosbee, Dey and Jones formed a company called Renaissance Sports and Entertainment for the purpose of buying the #Coyotes.”

 

[Killion]

Could this be what the NHL been waiting for to move on or it just a side show? Only time will tell. I said they made the offer at least to TSNE the PKP part is speculation I did not say either were interested.

Might've been. Bit a Conspiracy Theory though. Logistically I simply cant see Seattle ever being ready within essentially 3mnths & having everything in place. Doesnt make sense.... and yes, I understand it wasnt confirmed, that the NHL offered such a deal to PKP. In fact, theyve denied even seriously looking at the alternatives in terms of Relocation but for cursory glances.

 

[MaskedSonja]

I had thought about the idea in passing of the NHL wanting the "kick the can down the road 3 years" route, thinking with my tinfoil cap that they would do every thing they could for 2-3 more years in Glendale before finally moving the team when Seattle/Quebec City had their new arenas up. But then I chided myself "that's ridiculous, they seriously aren't going to run the franchise or work something to that effect, it's too convienient and quite the conspiracy theory-just nuts".

Now reading the speculation/rumour that the NHL might even try that with the "try it for 3 years and give it back" idea-combined with Daly commenting about Quebec City getting one at the "appropriate time" (3 years by chance Bill?)....and I begin if my warped theory was really warped after all...... :

As for the QC building arena comment and Daly being surprised-I can't believe that, supposedly the NHL was not happy when they made their announcement about building the area, how could Daly not know this? Sounds like he was playing a bit dumb here-I'm am pretty sure they're aware of the progress of the arena.

 

[madhi19]

Might've been. Bit a Conspiracy Theory though. Logistically I simply cant see Seattle every being ready within essentially 3mnths & having everything in place. Doesnt make sense.

God only know how they might have tried to squeeze that round peg in a square hole. Like I said side show and maybe a bit of leverage! If it was all about leverage you got to wonder how much losing it could cost the league.

Daly commenting about Quebec City getting one at the "appropriate time" (3 years by chance Bill?)

Any NHL exec who said that should be reminded that the league got no business owning and running a freaking team for 5 years and "appropriate time" should be ASAP!

 

[Antaya]

“@PaulGiblinAriz: LeBlanc, Gosbee, Dey and Jones formed a company called Renaissance Sports and Entertainment for the purpose of buying the #Coyotes.â€

Yeah, well, Jamison formed a group too (they even had a website!) and we all know how that turned out

 

[Free Edler]

“@PaulGiblinAriz: LeBlanc, Gosbee, Dey and Jones formed a company called Renaissance Sports and Entertainment for the purpose of buying the #Coyotes.”

Maybe I should get a few of my friends together. We'll call ourselves a company too. KP Advanced Enterprises, just to sound legit. None of us have any money, but we've still got just as good a shot at owning an NHL team as that roll call of poseurs and wannabes.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Did anyone else catch that Daly didn't know they were starting to build an arena in QC?

That was hilarious. He didn't even sound awkward about it. Maybe he doesn't speak French.

I'm not sold on the totality of "I have to be honest with you, I don't know".

A "Trout-mouth" response to a very generalized question

What would have been interesting is if Doug asked him "Is there an Arena being built in Quebec?". Loose "interpretation" of the word "building" is what I'm getting at. What kinda of building, Doug? A Home Hardware? Scotia Bank? McDonald's? Office building? Apartments?

Carry on...

 

[Major4Boarding]

“@PaulGiblinAriz: LeBlanc, Gosbee, Dey and Jones formed a company called Renaissance Sports and Entertainment for the purpose of buying the #Coyotes.â€

They just now got to this stage?

 

[Killion]

They just now got to this stage?

Ya, I guess after dinner at Marstons, drinks at ICON, both located in the lovely downtown Renaissance Phoenix, figured it was about time huh? But what to call themselves? Hmmmm. Lets see now....

 

[Ugmo]

They just now got to this stage?

Maybe it's like a "Seattle just fell through, so we need a plan B to drive up the price for PKP" kind of deal.

 

[Killion]

Maybe it's like a "Seattle just fell through, so we need a plan B to drive up the price for PKP" kind of deal.

Leverage? Perhaps. After your 8th Crantini at ICON, mind can wander. Scenery quite lovely, distracting... know what I mean Ugmo?

 

[Ugmo]

Leverage? Perhaps. After your 8th Crantini at ICON, mind can wander. Scenery quite lovely, distracting... know what I mean Ugmo?

To be honest... no, not really.

 

[MaskedSonja]

Was the Seattle arena deal contigent in any way on them getting an NBA franchise? I do wonder how much if anything (putting aside what Bettman et al say) the turn down of the relocation affected the Yotes situation as possible relocation destination (IE Leverage).