Player Discussion Phillip Danault: What's My Line Edition

[26Mats]

This is insane................Phil should fire his agent who walked away from 30M dollars.

Guy Carboneau still to this day thinks he would have put up bigger offensive numbers if he had been put in more offensive situations.

Many posters think the same of Eller.

Danault's not alone in over-estimating offensive potential.

But since the return to play, Danault hasn't been playing like a 5 million dollar player. If he can't turn it around, he did us a favor in turning down that reported deal.

 

[sandviper]

Guy Carboneau still to this day thinks he would have put up bigger offensive numbers if he had been put in more offensive situations.

Many posters think the same of Eller.

Danault's not alone in over-estimating offensive potential.

Carbs was a fireball in juniors, racking up a ton of points, was he not? I didn't stat check but this was what I recall from back in the day.

 

[26Mats]

Carbs was a fireball in juniors, racking up a ton of points, was he not? I didn't stat check but this was what I recall from back in the day.

Yeah, that was one reason he thought he could put up big points in the NHL.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Couldnt care less how many goals danault pots if his line can even out at 5 on 5 against other top lines. I mean everybody and their dog knows that Tatar Danault Gally is not a great first line offensively I dont know how you expect them to outscore some of these power lines they go up against. We've seen that line get really hot and really cold offensively but one thing they always give is good 5 on 5 play in all three zones and danault is a huge part of that

 

[gillyguzzler]

He's had a couple of good games in a row where he looked more like last year's Danault. He was certainly OFF his game for 6 or 7 and rightly played less. Hopefully, his head is back in the right place as the team needs him and he can't play like that and expect a 5M+ contract.

 

[BLONG7]

Couldnt care less how many goals danault pots if his line can even out at 5 on 5 against other top lines. I mean everybody and their dog knows that Tatar Danault Gally is not a great first line offensively I dont know how you expect them to outscore some of these power lines they go up against. We've seen that line get really hot and really cold offensively but one thing they always give is good 5 on 5 play in all three zones and danault is a huge part of that

True, but Danault himself doesn't seem to like his usage, and said NO to an AAV of 5M? So, you can't pay a guy more than 5M who has some good intangibles, but does not produce offensively...you just can't.
Personally, his actions seem to say he wants out..........doesn't matter what he says right now, but his actions are speaking louder, at this point.

 

[azcanuck]

You can just see his value in the last couple of games. He's so good at puck possession and defensive zone play/draws.
But he wont be worth any long term deal with so many young good players Montreal have they need to be cognizant of cap space moving forward. The Danault camp overvalues him, although I do think he has good value for maybe two more years. 5 years is just nuts esp. at his number .

 

[azcanuck]

True, but Danault himself doesn't seem to like his usage, and said NO to an AAV of 5M? So, you can't pay a guy more than 5M who has some good intangibles, but does not produce offensively...you just can't.
Personally, his actions seem to say he wants out..........doesn't matter what he says right now, but his actions are speaking louder, at this point.

I would disagree with this notion "he wants out". He's in his contract year. That's a lot of pressure. Suddenly Suzuki and KK have zoomed past him in development. So he's taking a back seat also , his role is clearly diminished. the guy is just squeezing the stick big time. But still providing value to the team. Let him play the year out.

 

[Mrb1p]

Ever since the little talk he had with Papa KFC hes back as the 1C, this is the start of the end for the habs season, weve seen this happen over and over with Julien.

 

[Hins77]

If its going on that way. Probably Danault will gonna sign away, a signature around 5,5/year on 4 years. On a mediocre team. Will maybe win 2 millions over if he did signed here. But at the end of the day. Does he prefer 2 millions on his next contract or a chance to win the stanley cup? The answer belongs to him

 

[Scriptor]

Couldnt care less how many goals danault pots if his line can even out at 5 on 5 against other top lines. I mean everybody and their dog knows that Tatar Danault Gally is not a great first line offensively I dont know how you expect them to outscore some of these power lines they go up against. We've seen that line get really hot and really cold offensively but one thing they always give is good 5 on 5 play in all three zones and danault is a huge part of that

How many goals Danault scores -- or, more specifically, that he scores a few, at least -- has more of a bearing on his overall confidence and how this affects the entire line's production as a two-way, shutdown line.

This Danault is a #1C\demands to be a #1C and must be a 20+ goals-scorer to be considered any good is just a narrative to marginalize the other qualities he brings to the ice.

His line's ability to shut down the opponents' best players and come out on top in the goal differential against these offensive studs is proof enough of the value of this line that is pivoted by Danault.

No, it can't be dismissed easily like the wingers are making the line do this in SPITE of Danault being the C. That's ridiculous and, yet, that's what is being championed as the reasoning behind their competitive edge over the last two years compared t some of the best offensive payers in the league.

People should be objective in what they say...

 

[JeffreyLFC]

If its going on that way. Probably Danault will gonna sign away, a signature around 5,5/year on 4 years. On a mediocre team. Will maybe win 2 millions over if he did signed here. But at the end of the day. Does he prefer 2 millions on his next contract or a chance to win the stanley cup? The answer belongs to him

I think 5.5M is a stretch unless it's from Seattle. Nobody can afford that with a flat cap and the collective loss of revenues. We got Toffoli well under normal market value because of that reality and next year would be the 2nd year in a row with a flat cap. I don't see any team going well above the Habs offer. (Same apply for Tatar)

 

[salbutera]

Carbs was a fireball in juniors, racking up a ton of points, was he not? I didn't stat check but this was what I recall from back in the day.

The battle in training camp was between Carbo & Dan Daoust for the 3C job with Habs - both were high end offensive stars in juniors and Daoust had lit up the AHL.

The Habs org felt Carbo was more apt at mastering the shutdown C role, Daoust was sent packing to Leafs (eventually bumped Bill Derlago out of his 1C role), and the rest as they say is history...

 

[DAChampion]

Danault would easily get 5 million if the cap were still skyrocketing by 5 million/year.

Any player that goes UFA during a cap crunch will be underpaid. That's not fair but that's how it is.

See Taylor Hall, 1 year 8 million dollars.

 

[Mrb1p]

The battle in training camp was between Carbo & Dan Daoust for the 3C job with Habs - both were high end offensive stars in juniors and Daoust had lit up the AHL.

The Habs org felt Carbo was more apt at mastering the shutdown C role, Daoust was sent packing to Leafs (eventually bumped Bill Derlago out of his 1C role), and the rest as they say is history...

What happened to Daoust ? Injuries ? Just faded away ?

 

[canucklover123]

Danault would easily get 5 million if the cap were still skyrocketing by 5 million/year.

Any player that goes UFA during a cap crunch will be underpaid. That's not fair but that's how it is.

See Taylor Hall, 1 year 8 million dollars.

If I were him, I would look at a 1 year as well somewhere else and hope to capitalize on that with more minutes and usage

 

[salbutera]

What happened to Daoust ? Injuries ? Just faded away ?

His first couple of years he was PPG player then by his 4th season fell off the cliff, iirc he was gonzo to Europe by year 6 or 7. Just one of those things, whereas Carbo lacked flash but produced at a steady pace all the way through into his mid-30s

 

[Mrb1p]

His first couple of years he was PPG player then by his 4th season fell off the cliff, iirc he was gonzo to Europe by year 6 or 7. Just one of those things, whereas Carbo was steady all the way through into his mid-30s

Probably a Danault situation where there was just no one better than him and then it faded when the youngsters came in ?

 

[bsl]

2 goals in 44 games and 1 is an empty net.

4 years ago i started bitching about Danault's complete lack of goal scoring. And now here we are. And posters comparing him to Carbo. LOL. Carbo scored huge goals all the time. You cannot have a centre that scores no goals. He's a disaster. I don't even know why we are having this discussion anymore.

 

[salbutera]

Probably a Danault situation where there was just no one better than him and then it faded when the youngsters came in ?

Unlike Danault, Daoust though was clearly an offensive C based on his career trend in minor & pro hockey. Primarily driven by wear and tear, he was a smallish guy. Sort of like Tim Kerr (minus the smallish part), guaranteed 50G guy, who never knew how to skate to begin with, but all the shoulder operations took their toll, production fell overnight from 28-29, and he was done playing by 31

 

[bsl]

Carbs was a fireball in juniors, racking up a ton of points, was he not? I didn't stat check but this was what I recall from back in the day.

Yes he was a monster in junior. Bowman and habs had the luxury of making him 2 way. And he still scored huge goals all the time. Because he had huge offensive talent. Comparing PD to Carbo is a joke, a f***ing laugh. A selke center is someone with huge offensive talent that decides to be excellent 2 way. Danault has zero offensive talent.

 

[bsl]

Couldnt care less how many goals danault pots if his line can even out at 5 on 5 against other top lines. I mean everybody and their dog knows that Tatar Danault Gally is not a great first line offensively I dont know how you expect them to outscore some of these power lines they go up against. We've seen that line get really hot and really cold offensively but one thing they always give is good 5 on 5 play in all three zones and danault is a huge part of that

Blah blah. i've personally seen habs win 13 cups. And every player on those teams could score goals. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[salbutera]

Yes he was a monster in junior. Bowman and habs had the luxury of making him 2 way. And he still scored huge goals all the time. Because he had huge offensive talent. Comparing PD to Carbo is a joke, a f***ing laugh. A selke center is someone with huge offensive talent that decides to be excellent 2 way. Danault has zero offensive talent.

The Selke trophy was created to give kudos for Gainey types (of which there was only one when introduced in 1977), it’s evolved (devolved?) into the offensive C crap over the last 15-years.

Afterall even the NHL says the Selke is presented “annually to the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game.”

 

[bsl]

I would disagree with this notion "he wants out". He's in his contract year. That's a lot of pressure. Suddenly Suzuki and KK have zoomed past him in development. So he's taking a back seat also , his role is clearly diminished. the guy is just squeezing the stick big time. But still providing value to the team. Let him play the year out.

Danault provides zero value to the team. He does not score goals, at all, and i think he is average to good defensively. Not great.

 

[Mrb1p]

The Selke trophy was created to give kudos for Gainey types (of which there was only one when introduced in 1977), it’s evolved (devolved?) into the offensive C crap over the last 15-years.

Afterall even the NHL says the Selke is presented “annually to the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game.”

Its not the trophy that has evolved but the utilisation of top players, theres no more checking third line, the third lines usually an exploitation line or energy, now its matching up the top talents to the top talents.