Player Discussion Phillip Danault part 2

[Habs Halifax]

People are so reluctant to give this guy credit.

Outside of Price, Danault was the most valuable player. It's a simple observation to make. I'm not saying he's a 1C or even a 2C. But on our team he was the #1 center against the Leafs and the most valuable player outside of Price.

I agree bud. We want offensive players so badly that we are willing to throw one of the best 200' centers in the game cause under the bus cause he lacks offensive skill. Calling him some 3rd line center and only worth $4M is disgusting. Probably the same gang that takes every chance they get to throw Drouin under the bus... even when he is down and not playing.

Danault is a great middle 2C and worth $5M for sure. If any team has a need for a shutdown center and has the cap space, he gets tons of offers at $5M. The real issue here is flat cap and not enough cap space. Especially with teams ahead of us in the standings. I think Danault made a mistake not taking $5M for 5 years last off season.... if that report is true.

I'd focus on term. 3 years and around $5M - $5.5M range. We just gave Anderson $5.5M for 7. He's worth what Andersson is worth and if I was his agent, I'd say the same thing. They probably start at $6M and we might have to let him explore the market and then circle back to us once he gets a feel for the best offers he can get.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ansimov, Pageau are guys around and at that $5M mark and you can certainly justify paying Danault $5M.

If Im going to pay big money for a tweener kind of guy it is for a C. Thing is, our team rolls on depth, so I dont think you say that Gallagher, a $6.5M player next year , is a third liner because he plays with Danault. Maybe you compliment the line witha lower paid guy.

Tough call all right. Dont sign him, I think it will hurt the team for sure. Keep him and yeah, its going to cost, but then maybe the C situation looks decent.

Pay him but only for 3 years. The same time we bridge KK, Suzuki, Romanov, and Caufield. Once all that expires, so will Weber's contract. It's not worth complaining or letting him walk over $1M ish. Let Tatar walk and we are fine.

Way too much focus on this but if we were to have a debate, it should be term

 

[abo9]

Pay him but only for 3 years. The same time we bridge KK, Suzuki, Romanov, and Caufield. Once all that expires, so will Weber's contract. It's not worth complaining or letting him walk over $1M ish. Let Tatar walk and we are fine.

Way too much focus on this but if we were to have a debate, it should be term

I'm pretty vocal about letting Danault walk, but I like the 3 years idea (if he wants it that is). Would fit in well with our team's direction.

the only thing I worry is how Danault came out last year saying that he wanted more offensive responsibilities. Imo if we keep him it's as a shutdown specialist, he should not see any PP time or offensive duties as long as KK and Suz are healthy

 

[CHfan1]

Pay him but only for 3 years. The same time we bridge KK, Suzuki, Romanov, and Caufield. Once all that expires, so will Weber's contract. It's not worth complaining or letting him walk over $1M ish. Let Tatar walk and we are fine.

Way too much focus on this but if we were to have a debate, it should be term

I’d be surprised if Danault isn’t looking for term on his next contract, something more than 3 years, probably 5 +.

 

[tazsub3]

I'm pretty vocal about letting Danault walk, but I like the 3 years idea (if he wants it that is). Would fit in well with our team's direction.

the only thing I worry is how Danault came out last year saying that he wanted more offensive responsibilities. Imo if we keep him it's as a shutdown specialist, he should not see any PP time or offensive duties as long as KK and Suz are healthy

I think he was humbled and realised his limitations and decided to take his strength to another level

 

[Mrb1p]

I agree with all of what you said actually but you're still not answering my question:
Who was more valuable in the Leaf series?

What is more valuable?

3$, 1.25$, 1.50$ or 1 millions $?

In this case its Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Danault and Price.

Disingenuous at best.

 

[1909]

With Tatar and very possibly Drouin gone, Habs will have 10 M $ to play with, enough money to give good raises to Danault and Armia... IF they decide to stay in MTL.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

With Tatar and very possibly Drouin gone, Habs will have 10 M $ to play with, enough money to give good raises to Danault and Armia... IF they decide to stay in MTL.

That money should be prioritized for a PMD, preferably at LD...

 

[TT1]

6 x 5M ~5.5M is fair value

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

6 x 5M ~5.5M is fair value

...for Dougie Hamilton, maybe...you don't pay a defensive specialist that kind of dough...

 

[TT1]

...for Dougie Hamilton, maybe...you don't pay a defensive specialist that kind of dough...

He's the modern day version of Carbonneau. Of course he's worth that much, many people will argue that he's worth more, not less

Move the softies like Tatar and Drouin in the off-season. Keep players like Armia/Lehkonen/Danault, easy call. Let Staal go, sign Perry for 1+ year.

Personally i love Gally and Weber but i would start shopping them around to see if we could get a good return for them.

 

[1909]

That money should be prioritized for a PMD, preferably at LD...

There is no real good ones available on the UFA market. And if they want to get one thru a trade, they will send some player's salary too in that deal. So, enough money to still keep Danault and Armia. Staal will be gone too, and very possibly Merrill and Gustafson too.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He's the modern day version of Carbonneau. Of course he's worth that much, many people will argue that he's worth more, not less

Move the softies like Tatar and Drouin in the off-season

...he can't do anything offensively...period...he is not Carbonneau; Guy could pot them as well as defend...paying that much for a defensive specialist is what keeps us on the fringes of making the Playoffs and having to hope Price goes GOD MODE...

There is no real good ones available on the UFA market. And if they want to get one thru a trade, they will send some player's salary too in that deal. So, enough money to still keep Danault and Armia. Staal will be gone too, and very possibly Merrill and Gustafson too.

...Hamilton is available; go hard after him...trade some pieces, whatever...I agree that keeping Armia and Danault would be nice, but it has to be a deal that isn't crippling in this Flat Cap right now...

 

[canucklover123]

Been away all day and see some notifications, just came to say, Danault was a stud last night again.

Manz is gunna open an adoption agency soon with all his adopted sons on the opposing teams

 

[habdynasty]

Guy needs to score a goal soon, cmon Gallagher bounce one off his leg. He should try someone else stick.

 

[canucklover123]

@canucklover123

See what an impact Danault producing has. Instead of heading into the 3rd in a 1-goal game with Winnipeg having lots of momentum we have a 2 goal lead forcing Winnipeg to take chances and giving us lots of counteract opportunities and we win fairly easily instead of having a nail bitter 3rd period where we try desperately to protect a 1-goal lead.

I think you are valuing this a little too much in our team structure.

Danault producing is great, but we've played two teams so far again that has one line, who ever Danault line is matched up against is significantly more talented than the Danault line. Add to that, that Danault has not had ZERO offensive zone shift starts this whole series I believe and playing with non top line guys, if he can come out to near net zero against the top line, that is a huge W.

If NZ and KK keep outplaying their matchups, were doing fine.

 

[BLONG7]

I agree with all of what you said actually but you're still not answering my question:
Who was more valuable in the Leaf series?

I told you.............Suzuki and KK were more valuable in that series.....they actually played good at BOTH ends of the ice..........Phil played well in ONE end of the ice.
No one has even mentioned, that Phil was not the only C on the ice vs Matthews.....he jumped over the boards and had all kind of ice time, without Phil on the ice at all.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I told you.............Suzuki and KK were more valuable in that series.....they actually played good at BOTH ends of the ice..........Phil played well in ONE end of the ice.
No one has even mentioned, that Phil was not the only C on the ice vs Matthews.....he jumped over the boards and had all kind of ice time, without Phil on the ice at all.

...maybe it was Pornstache shutting Phil down...MYSTARY!!!...

 

[26Mats]

I told you.............Suzuki and KK were more valuable in that series.....they actually played good at BOTH ends of the ice..........Phil played well in ONE end of the ice.
No one has even mentioned, that Phil was not the only C on the ice vs Matthews.....he jumped over the boards and had all kind of ice time, without Phil on the ice at all.

Phil's skating allows him to effortless get up and down the ice, to skate the puck out of our zone and all the way into the opponents zone, in ways that Suzuki simply can't.

KK may have that skating ability, but he doesn't have the veteran presence yet to defend the opposition's top offensive line for 20 minutes a night the way Phil can.

Phil is the better defensive center for now, and rightfully should be on the ice for as much ice time as the opposition's top offensive line are.

But man are KK and Suzuki looking like they're going to good at BOTH ends of the ice for a long time.

and btw Phil is a pretty good complimentary offensive player: he causes turnovers and forechecks and gets his puck to his offensive linemates to make and finish the plays based on those turnovers. So if he's doing that and his linemates aren't making and finishing plays, he won't show up on the score sheet. Nice that Lehkonen and Gallagher did on the goal last night. But Tatar and Gallagher weren't doing it previously. So naturally Phil's point totals dropped. He is what he is.

 

[Tyson]

JG Pageau is very comparable in terms of style and what they bring. Pageau is considered a 3rd liner and is paid 5 mil per season. Is Danault worth less, more or the same?

Pages does have a 24 goal season under his belt

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

JG Pageau is very comparable in terms of style and what they bring. Pageau is considered a 3rd liner and is paid 5 mil per season. Is Danault worth less, more or the same?

Pages does have a 24 goal season under his belt

...and got his contract before the Flat Cap...

 

[rahad]

He is 28 years old. This is his last chance for a big contract. He is never going to take a 3 years deal. lol

He is going to ask for a 6/6.5m x 7 years contract.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He is 28 years old. This is his last chance for a big contract. He is never going to take a 3 years deal. lol

He is going to ask for a 6/6.5m x 7 years contract.

...and everyone involved should laugh their arses off and hang up the phone...

 

[rahad]

...and everyone involved should laugh their arses off and hang up the phone...

You honestly believe he is going to take a 3 years deal????? At best maybe a 5.5/6m for 5 years

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

You honestly believe he is going to take a 3 years deal????? At best maybe a 5.5/6m for 5 years

...for a defensive specialist in a Flat Cap, that's absolutely ridiculous and whomever the GM is that gives it to him should be fired on the spot...Phil has to realize that it's a flat cap and he isn't what he thinks he is offensively...