Phillip Broberg

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The only reason the blues were ever in this game was a quick whistle from the zebras.
Even at 3-0 they would have still been in the game. Face it, the oilers aren’t as good as the people of Edmonton believe. Maybe then you people can drop your victim complex.
 

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One game obviously doesn't matter, but I do find it kind of funny reading some of the posts downplaying how bad Broberg was last night. He had 3 horrible turnovers that all led directly to grade A scoring chances and he's lucky Binnington bailed him out or he'd have been a -3 tonight in a 7-2 game. The McDavid goal was the least concerning of his gaffes. Perry pickpocketed him and sent Hyman in alone while he had time and space to break the puck out, and Draisaitl did the same thing leading to a breakaway.

He was a turnover machine last night.
“If the Oilers scored on their chances and the Blues didn’t, the score would have been 7-2.”

Yeah, that’s not how hockey works. Broberg was on the ice for the same amount of scoring chances for the Blues as he was for the Oilers. His xGF was actually higher than his xGA last night. And he led the Blues’ d-men in shots on goal so he wasn’t just a passenger for those chances. He was involved and made some nice plays offensively.

Again, it wasn’t his best game by any means. But the stats objectively show that he wasn’t nearly as bad as Oilers fans are trying to say. I mean I get it, you guys desperately want to try to convince yourselves that he sucks. But the fact is that that he doesn’t. For a 23 year old that still did good things in one of his weaker games, that shows you how much of a stud he has potential to be. I don’t even care too much to debate this either way, since last night doesn’t change that he has been overall exceptional this season. But thought I’d bring some stats to the table.
 
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“If the Oilers scored on their chances and the Blues didn’t, the score would have been 7-2.”

Yeah, that’s not how hockey works. Broberg was on the ice for the same amount of scoring chances for the Blues as he was for the Oilers. His xGF was actually higher than his xGA last night. And he led the Blues’ d-men in shots on goal so he wasn’t just a passenger for those chances. He was involved and made some nice plays offensively.

Again, it wasn’t his best game by any means. But the stats objectively show that he wasn’t nearly as bad as Oilers fans are trying to say. I mean I get it, you guys desperately want to try to convince yourselves that he sucks. But the fact is that that he doesn’t. For a 23 year old that still did good things in one of his weaker games, that shows you how much of a stud he has potential to be. I don’t even care too much to debate this either way, since last night doesn’t change that he has been overall exceptional this season. But thought I’d bring some stats to the table.
I'm saying those 3 mistakes he made were about as bad as you can get for mistakes. All of them lead to uncontested slot shots and a partial breakaway and they were all pretty routine plays. You'd have a hard time finding any player last night that made as many and as glaring mistakes as he did. Like I said that's fine it happens to everyone from time to time, but let's not act like he had anything other than a terrible game.

It's interesting to see you bring up advanced stats last night though and then in the same breath ignore that his advanced stats are pretty bad this year.
 
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I'm sure Oiler fans have been downplaying his successes all year as well, right? All players have off nights from time to time and you'd think a fan base that regularly watches Nurse and Bouchard would realize that. Congrats on the win, but it's just one game.
There are Oiler fans on both sides, and the bigger group is the one that says that Broberg has been great. They may say he is injury prone, but still great and improving.
 

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Oilers fans acting like they're the late 90s/early 2000s red wings. You'd think having as many first overall picks as they've had and the two best players in the game for the last half decade they'd have won 8 straight Stanley cups with the way they talk.
 

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Again, it wasn’t his best game by any means. But the stats objectively show that he wasn’t nearly as bad as Oilers fans are trying to say. I mean I get it, you guys desperately want to try to convince yourselves that he sucks. But the fact is that that he doesn’t. For a 23 year old that still did good things in one of his weaker games, that shows you how much of a stud he has potential to be. I don’t even care too much to debate this either way, since last night doesn’t change that he has been overall exceptional this season. But thought I’d bring some stats to the table.

"The 81 games you saw mean nothing but the 16 games he's played for us mean EVERYTHING!!!111!!!!"

Cool cool. If Broberg is your #1 defenseman, I don't think the Oilers will have to worry about them for a long while.
 

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Deal with the contract could have meant to trade him for higher return earlier.
This is what I agree with. There were rumors that the Blues were after Broberg last season as well, including as part of a package for Buchnevich - who knows if there is any credibility to that rumor, but aside from the cap situation of course, that particular deal would have been much better for the Oilers than getting a 2nd round pick. You'd think that if multiple teams were will to offer sheet Broberg, then we could have gotten a pretty decent package back for him earlier in the summer, or even at the draft.

Holloway frustrates me more than Broberg does. Holloway might have been frustrated with the up and down game he was faced with, but he hadn't been stuck in that cycle nearly as long as Broberg was. I don't blame Broberg for wanting a fresh start, but by all accounts, Holloway was still happy as an Oiler, and we should have been able to sign him for less than he got on the offer sheet. That contract was a manageable one for us, and we still didn't get him signed.

"The 81 games you saw mean nothing but the 16 games he's played for us mean EVERYTHING!!!111!!!!"

Cool cool. If Broberg is your #1 defenseman, I don't think the Oilers will have to worry about them for a long while.
Alright, let's at least be fair when we debate this. Parayko is St. Louis' #1 defenseman, and likely will be for some time. He's playing an incredibly valuable role beside Broberg this year - similar to the role that Ekholm has played for Bouchard. Broberg has been good for the Blues. He's young still, so mistakes will happen, but let's be honest - he looks like he is worth every penny of that contract, which I didn't think would happen right out of the gate like this.

Jackson, Bowman, etc messed up big time here. Holland too, for having coaches that didn't want to play him. Holland should have purged Ceci two summers ago to open a spot for Broberg.
 

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Alright, let's at least be fair when we debate this. Parayko is St. Louis' #1 defenseman, and likely will be for some time.

I'm just echoing what their own fanbase is saying. It's less than 20 games of exposure to the player (and this level of play). What would be fair here is waiting to make a judgement on whether Broberg is actually going to sustain that level of play, but Blues fans want a gotcha so bad they're willing to go all in on this.
 

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I'm just echoing what their own fanbase is saying. It's less than 20 games of exposure to the player (and this level of play). What would be fair here is waiting to make a judgement on whether Broberg is actually going to sustain that level of play, but Blues fans want a gotcha so bad they're willing to go all in on this.
It's fair for a fanbase to get excited about a new player playing well, especially one they got for next to nothing. We need to calm down with the sour grapes directed at the Blues and their fans. It's our organizations' management that bungled this entire situation. That's who needs to catch the blame.
 

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It's fair for a fanbase to get excited about a new player playing well, especially one they got for next to nothing. We need to calm down with the sour grapes directed at the Blues and their fans. It's our organizations' management that bungled this entire situation. That's who needs to catch the blame.
He is also not some 28 year old former 7th rounder that got called up and is killing it for 20 games. It’s a former 8th overall pick that’s only 23 with very limited NHL experience that includes last playoff’s conference final and cup final. That is a very rare thing to just fall in your lap and throw in the fact that there is/was ZERO defensive prospects in the Blues pipeline that are now ready and worth getting excited about. So when he looks much better than expected, yes fans have a reason to get excited.

Throw in Holloway being honestly their most consistent (outside of Kyrou and Thomas when healthy) and productive forward that also brings a physical 2 way style, it really boggles my mind that an organization would prioritize guys like Skinner and Perry over them.

You can sell not matching Broberg a little with his trade request and high salary offer sheet but to not match Holloway?!
 
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He is also not some 28 year old former 7th rounder that got called up and is killing it for 20 games. It’s a former 8th overall pick that’s only 23 with very limited NHL experience that includes last playoff’s conference final and cup final. That is a very rare thing to just fall in your lap and throw in the fact that there is/was ZERO defensive prospects in the Blues pipeline that are now ready and worth getting excited about. So when he looks much better than expected, yes fans have a reason to get excited.

Throw in Holloway being honestly their most consistent (outside of Kyrou and Thomas when healthy) and productive forward that also brings a physical 2 way style, it really boggles my mind that an organization would prioritize guys like Skinner and Perry over them.

You can sell not matching Broberg a little with his trade request and high salary offer sheet but to not match Holloway?!
I still don't get them not matching Holloway to be honest. I know money was tight for them, but I think they could have made it work. I suspect it was an emotional reaction, like a "if he doesn't want to be here, we don't want him here" kind of thought process. I hope I'm wrong, but I have lost all faith in Oilers management once again.
 

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I still don't get them not matching Holloway to be honest. I know money was tight for them, but I think they could have made it work. I suspect it was an emotional reaction, like a "if he doesn't want to be here, we don't want him here" kind of thought process. I hope I'm wrong, but I have lost all faith in Oilers management once again.
Very possible, throw in a very rusty and fresh on the job Bowman…I would pay to see the behind to scenes meetings in that week they had to decide on matching or not. To clear space to be able to match Holloway or have a spot for Broberg in his natural position/top 4 with the Ceici trade really makes you scratch your head.

I know Bowman was quoted saying his decision not to match was already made up when the Blues gave EDM their 2023 third (or maybe 4th round) prospect/pick and a 2028 7th but it’s possible that EDM told the Blues they were going to reluctantly match Holloway and the Blues offered that bonus for them not to.
 

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Stop rubbing it in our faces every time he gets a point and this thread will die fast.

My only other post in this thread was this one...

As a Blues fan I have to ask why even make this thread. Yes we are thrilled with Broberg so far but what purpose does this thread serve other than to poke Oiler fans.

which I made shortly after this thread started. I haven't rubbed anything in Oilers fans face because quite frankly I don't care. I don't see them as the guys we offersheeted anymore, I see them as Blues players. This thread was nothing more than bait for Oilers fans and man did you all bite. I know you all think its fun to dunk on Broberg after a rough game against your team (really his first rough game as a blue). Truth is all you're really doing is proving that the offersheets are still living rent free in your heads.

That's why I will once again ask a mod to lock this flame fest of thread.
 
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Bickering aside, I think the Oilers did try to trade Broberg but there was no one willing to pay the price. Stauffer hinted that he wouldn't even fetch Edmonton a late 2nd at last years deadline.
 

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Yah the blues have a long storied history of making the playoffs since coming into the league and only 1 Stanley cup to show for it.
Think i’d rather have 1 cup in the last 5 years than 5 cups that were all 30-40 years ago

Bickering aside, I think the Oilers did try to trade Broberg but there was no one willing to pay the price. Stauffer hinted that he wouldn't even fetch Edmonton a late 2nd at last years deadline.
Kinda seems like they slow played both of those guys in the AHL at least partially to keep their price down. And it came back to bite them in the ass
 
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