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Flybynite said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1856372112014860650

He just came off the best half-season of his career and likely this will go down as the best offensive season he ever has IMO. He's a flawed player and he isn't the offensive player he needs to be. He can't play 1B (even if Harper wasn't there already) since he can't give you enough offensively to justify that either.

Sell high (or as high as you can get at this point).

Phillies daycare is effin over. Bohm, Stott, and Marsh are all older than Bryce Harper when he debuted as a Phillie. Tired of hearing about their youth and growing pains.
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I'm not opposed to trading Bohm or anyone really, but I do think if there's someone we will regret trading down the road (even if it makes sense now) is going to Bohm. Stott I think is an everyday 2B on pretty much any team but not a star and never will be. Marsh is an excellent 4th OF or a starter on a middling or bad team and he is what he is. Bohm I still think can be regularly among the best 3B in the league. I think the league probably views him that way as well and if he's traded will fetch a nice return, which is why I am ok dealing him.
 
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DrinkFightFlyers said:
I'm not opposed to trading Bohm or anyone really, but I do think if there's someone we will regret trading down the road (even if it makes sense now) is going to Bohm. Stott I think is an everyday 2B on pretty much any team but not a star and never will be. Marsh is an excellent 4th OF or a starter on a middling or bad team and he is what he is. Bohm I still think can be regularly among the best 3B in the league. I think the league probably views him that way as well and if he's traded will fetch a nice return, which is why I am ok dealing him.
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It's a year early to be trading Bohm, unless you have a 3B lined up.
Miller is going to be really good, whether he starts out at SS or 3B, but he's probably not ready to start before 2026.
 
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DrinkFightFlyers said:
Read on the Athletic that Luis Robert is likely to be traded and Phillies are a fit. Word is they are also pursuing Crochet IIRC. I wonder if they could somehow land both and what that would cost. I'm a big Robert fan so I would love to nab him.
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Rather go with Rojas than Robert.

Robert is on the decline, had a big season two years ago but his K rate was a warning sign:
28.9%. This season he fell off, as his K rate hit 33.2%. Anything over 25% is not good, even for a power hitter.

He doesn't walk, power is erratic, fielding is OK but not great.
I suspect ML pitchers studied film, and know how to pitch him now.

Probably better than 2024, but will never hit 38 HRs again like 2023.
So basically an expensive ($8.2M plus what you give up) 2-3 WAR CF, Rojas full time is at least a 2 WAR CF and costs almost nothing.
 
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A Bohm trade only cripples you if you think his first half is who he really is and we have hundreds of ABs that say he is merely an average to a tick above average overall hitter. I'm more than willing to accept that the injury played a big role in his poor second half, but hamate/wrist injuries have been know to linger into the next season. He doesn't offer much power or patience at a position that really requires it, so you are betting on singles and doubles. :dunno:

He had a career year with the glove also. How much of that is real? He'll be 29 mid-season and seems to be declining athletically and has never been considered good in that area. Not sure I'd want to bet on him maintaining that level much less improve.

Oh and he becomes more expensive.
 
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The thing about Bregman is he's apparently fairly consistently near the top of the league in pitches per plate appearance, and wearing out opposing pitchers is something we simply do not do enough of. Adding a guy who does that on the regular would be huge, because it means they're throwing worse stuff to the rest of the lineup, and in a series, we're getting through their best bullpen options faster.

Edit: Honestly, this is my Moneyball idea for MLB: a lineup whose job is primarily "make the opposing pitchers' arms fall off, then blast the ball all over the park because they're too tired to throw anything but meatballs."
 
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Chinatown88 said:
Stupid question since I haven't been a hardcore baseball nerd in years. Is a Crochet trade worth it?
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Yes, but I think the Phillies aren't the ones to do it.

I'd rather spend those assets on a bat in this particular situation

Rebels57 said:
For those that no longer use Twitter (for obvious reasons)

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Tim Kelly Sports (@timkellysports) on Threads

'Rival Executive' Predicts Phillies Will Sign Alex Bregman https://onpattison.com/news/2024/nov/12/philadelphia-phillies-rumors-alex-bregman-contract-alec-bohm-trade/ MLBThreads
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Normalize threads
 
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DancingPanther said:
Yes, but I think the Phillies aren't the ones to do it.

I'd rather spend those assets on a bat in this particular situation


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Society is normalizing Threads on its own thankfully. It passed Twitter in Daily Active Users and should pass Twitter in total users by June of 2025.

No ads, few bots, less propaganda, and most importantly, not owned by a psychopath hellbent on world domination.
 
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Ideally you want a bat over an arm but talent is talent and maybe they try to recreate the 2011 Phillies (hopefully without the shitty ending).

Wheeler
Crochet
Nola
Sanchez
Painter mid-year

Assume Ranger in the last year of his deal gets sacrificed for something else in this scenario.

Probably costs you maybe every good prospect sans Miller and Painter who I assume will be the untouchables and a roster player or two.
 
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FLYguy3911 said:
Ideally you want a bat over an arm but talent is talent and maybe they try to recreate the 2011 Phillies (hopefully without the shitty ending).

Wheeler
Crochet
Nola
Sanchez
Painter mid-year

Assume Ranger in the last year of his deal gets sacrificed for something else in this scenario.

Probably costs you maybe every good prospect sans Miller and Painter who I assume will be the untouchables.
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Rebels57 said:
Society is normalizing Threads on its own thankfully. It passed Twitter in Daily Active Users and should pass Twitter in total users by June of 2025.

No ads, few bots, less propaganda, and most importantly, not owned by a psychopath hellbent on world domination.
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Ok what is threads? I would love to not pay attention to Twitter
 
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