Other Sports: Philadelphia Phillies: The Road To .500 (2023 Edition)

[DancingPanther]

 

[wankstifier]

 

[Rebels57]

Who is on your Mount Rushmore of Phillies?

Ashburn
Schmidt
Carlton
Utley

There's a lot of possible combinations, but that's mine.

 

[DancingPanther]

Eric Bruntlett
Rheal Cormier
Sal Fasano
Steve Geltz

 

[Flybynite]

Schmidt, Carlton, Robin Roberts, Chuck Klein

HM: Richie Ashburn, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Ed Delahanty

One time I was talking about Chuck Klein and was told to look more into the Baker Bowl and his splits make Coors Field player splits look mild by comparison.

Baker Bowl: 581G .395 BA/.448 OBP/.705 SLG/1.153 OPS. 164 HR, 179 2B, 29 3B.
Everywhere else: 1,172G .277 BA/.337 OBP/.451 SLG/.788 OPS. 136 HR, 219 2B, 45 3B

Left-handed hitters hit mainly to right field. Klein was a lefty.

Right-field at the Baker Bowl was a joke.

Spoiler

It was 280 at the shortest to 300 for most of RF with a giant 60 foot wall/fence (altho the wall was lower for much of Klein's days before being raised). Fenway is 310 to 315 for the Green Monster.

 

[Cody Webster]

Charlie simply used the wrong phrase, Harper "plays up to the fans", he doesn't pander to them.
Harper definitely loves playing in Philly, his contract was designed to commit him to the city for the rest of his career, and he's followed that up with working hard to build a positive relationship with the fans.

Not surprised at his breakout, figured it would take him half a season to get his strength and timing down.

Good to see Turner turn it around, but I still wish he'd be more selective, same with Castellanos, refraining from swinging at pitches out in the zone early in the count can make a big difference - check the difference in success when up 2-1 instead of down 1-2 in the count.

Stott is a revelation, example of a high IQ player refining his game and taking it to another level, both his ability to hit with 2 strikes and his adjustment to 2B as a fielder.

MUST DEFEND!!!

 

[Jack Straw]

One time I was talking about Chuck Klein and was told to look more into the Baker Bowl and his splits make Coors Field player splits look mild by comparison.

Baker Bowl: 581G .395 BA/.448 OBP/.705 SLG/1.153 OPS. 164 HR, 179 2B, 29 3B.
Everywhere else: 1,172G .277 BA/.337 OBP/.451 SLG/.788 OPS. 136 HR, 219 2B, 45 3B

Left-handed hitters hit mainly to right field. Klein was a lefty.

Right-field at the Baker Bowl was a joke.

Spoiler

It was 280 at the shortest to 300 for most of RF with a giant 60 foot wall/fence (altho the wall was lower for much of Klein's days before being raised). Fenway is 310 to 315 for the Green Monster.

But the wall was 60 ft high, the Green Monster is 37 ft high.

In any case, Klein is an all-time great Phlilie and a HOFer. I have no problem putting him on my Mt Rushmore. Maybe tomorrow I would pick Ashburn over him, or Delahanty or Alexander. The first three are locks for me. After that it’s close.

 

[Flybynite]

But the wall was 60 ft high, the Green Monster is 37 ft high.

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In any case, Klein is an all-time great Phlilie and a HOFer. I have no problem putting him on my Mt Rushmore. Maybe tomorrow I would pick Ashburn over him, or Delahanty or Alexander. The first three are locks for me. After that it’s close.

It was 60 foot high when the park closed. When Klein played it was actually 40 foot wall with a 15 foot fence on top. Even if you wanted to say a 1/4 of his HR's may have been caught had he not been at the Baker Bowl. I think A LOT of those doubles and triples at the Baker Bowl probably would have been outs in most other parks.

He played twice as many games outside the Baker Bowl in his career as he did in it (when you account for him leaving the Phillies). He hit 28 more HR's in the 581 games he played there than he did in the 1,172 games he played anywhere else.

 

[Jack Straw]

It was 60 foot high when the park closed. When Klein played it was actually 40 foot wall with a 15 foot fence on top. Even if you wanted to say a 1/4 of his HR's may have been caught had he not been at the Baker Bowl. I think A LOT of those doubles and triples at the Baker Bowl probably would have been outs in most other parks.

Eh. You can make these arguments about a lot of ballparks. Bottom line is he did what he did, he’s in the HoF, he won a triple crown, I don’t think all that was just because of a short RF.

 

[CutOnDime97]

I can’t stop laughing.

But w/e

 

[trostol]

i am astounded none of you have Von Hayes or Lance Parrish listed lol

 

[Rebels57]

Good morning to everyone except Kimbrel and Stubbs.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Who is on your Mount Rushmore of Phillies?

JRoll, Utley, Hamels, Pat the Bat

Yeah there's definitely better Phillies but these guys are it for me.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

For me, I cannot have a Mt. Rushmore without Richie Ashburn. Not only was he highly beloved when he was a player, but he was in the stratosphere with Phans in the TV and radio booth. Younger fans might not connect with that, which I understand. They may point to the 2008 team, and perhaps the 1993 team - both valid perspectives. For me, as a silverback, however, it starts with Whitey.

 

[BiggE]

Phillies Mt Rushmore is a tough one because even my old self never saw many of their greatest players so I’m not sure where to rate guys like Chuck Klein, Robin Roberts, Richie Ashburn etc..

But, going from 1970 on, mine would be:
Mike Schmidt
Steve Carlton
Jimmy Rollins
Chase Utley

 

[swami24]

Most loved Philly athlete

Sorry, this is Jason Kelce's town and everyone else is just passing through. He will be revered long after he retires.

 

[Halladay]

I think Utley or Ashburn (for the elderly) is the most popular Phillie ever. Chooch might be 3rd though . It sure as heck isnt Schilling .

 

[Kermit the Prog]

I think Utley or Ashburn (for the elderly) is the most popular Phillie ever. Chooch might be 3rd though . It sure as heck isnt Schilling .

Triggered

 

[CutOnDime97]

No Papelbon?

 

[DancingPanther]

Woke up

Salt check: water softener

However, Plouffe echoes what Castellanos said and what some other athletes have said. They live this. Nice segment from the baseball today pod



And I tend to agree with Plouffe. Weeks ago when I was grumpy and cynical it was easy to say oh stop it the player plays the game. But I've softened on that stance. We all know about the mental aspects in sports, and it seems fair to say the ovation certainly made some magnitude of difference, even if it's just a small way to get Turner's mind to stop racing for a bit hit the lab a little more confidently.

I DEFINITELY agree with "people need to remember this just as much as they remember snowballs and Santa" regardless of if you think it helped or didn't help

 

[wankstifier]

Scott Rolen, Bobby Abreu, Aaron Nola

 

[DancingPanther]

My personal, serious Mt Rushmore is Harper, Utley, Doc, and Kalas

On a more broad sense, I think the masses should consider Kalas, Carlton, Utley, and Schmidt. I'm not the biggest Schmidt fan but on a Phillies history scale you can't deny what he is to the franchise

 

[wankstifier]

Dick Allen still gets no respect.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Carlton, Schmidt, Delahanty, Utley

Delahanty has a legit argument for being the best hitter of the 19th century.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

Carlton, Schmidt, Delahanty, Utley

Delahanty has a legit argument for being the best hitter of the 19th century.

Yeah, but he booed Mark Twain, so... (throat cutting gesture).