Value of: Philadelphia LHD (Provorov & Sanheim with extension)

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Genuinely curious here, as I think both players would be nice additions in Detroit for different reasons.

Philadelphia has generally been reluctant to commit to a rebuild, but it seems like that might change this summer.

Thoughts on what prices these players would command?

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[David Lunch]

Kings fan here, also interested in either player.

I think Philly said they don’t want to “rebuild” and want to get back to the playoffs next season, so it seems like they’re looking for hockey trades and not futures — do I have that right, PHI fans?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Kings fan here, also interested in either player.

I think Philly said they don’t want to “rebuild” and want to get back to the playoffs next season, so it seems like they’re looking for hockey trades and not futures — do I have that right, PHI fans?

That seems to be the state of affairs, with whatever Chuck Fletcher (and beloved advisors Clarke and Holmgren) consider to be "hockey trades." So if your team has any meaty, one-or-two-dimensional underachievers floating around its system, have at it. As long as they're not too young, though. If they are under, say, 23, they might have some untapped creativity that they've yet to display, and that's just too big of a risk.

 

[ponder719]

Kings fan here, also interested in either player.

I think Philly said they don’t want to “rebuild” and want to get back to the playoffs next season, so it seems like they’re looking for hockey trades and not futures — do I have that right, PHI fans?

Unfortunately yes.

In an attempt to be more useful: for quite some time, the vibe the organization gave off was that they preferred Provorov to Sanheim. Recently, that appears to have changed, with the Sanheim/Ristolainen pairing getting a good amount of public praise, so my expectation would be that unless Sanheim refuses to sign a long term deal with the team, Provorov is the more likely to be traded. I do not see both being moved as all that likely.

 

[Tripod]

Fletch, Holmgren and Clarke have no idea what the hell they are doing.

Fletch said he would like some under 25 players.....yet last summer added Ellis, re-signed Couts, added Yandle, Thompson, Seeler and Risto(then signed him long term). And traded away 6 assets under 25 years old and lost 1 on waivers who is bet tee r than what they are icing.

Idiots.

As for the OP, they have had the chance to sign Sanheim multiple times to a long term deal and have instead bridged him 2 times. And they have suppressed his upside and points by never allowing him on the PP. As an example, he has 1 game playing 1 minute on the PP since Dec 1. Yandle meanwhile has played 36 games getting 1 minute of PP time during that time. Oh, and yet Sanheim is yet best ES scoring Dman on the team.

So with Sanheim, he might decide to not re-sign which forces a trade. As for Provy, he recently got taken off the PP in favor of York. And now the Philly s hill reporters have started the smear campaign so it seems like they are prepping fans that Provy could be moved.

Anyone who trades for either one will win the trade just based on how bad Fletch is in negotiating. Flyers mgt can burn in hell.

 

[LGB]

Blues supposedly had interest in both at the deadline and will still have the same need for a top 4 LHD in the offseason.

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

If the Flyers trade Sanheim and Provorov they may as well throw Hart in too. Let's go back to not having a clue what drafting and developing a defenceman or goalie is like, and signing older not very good players to long term contracts. It's worked so well for the last 4 decades.

Wait a minute...it's never worked!

 

[Curufinwe]

Sanheim-Ellis
York-Ristolainen
Zamula-Attard
Hogberg

Bye bye Provy

 

[SnS]

I would rather keep Travis and trade Provo. But it’s going to be a hockey trade. Philly isn’t allowed to rebuild with Scott around.

Also did y’all know we will run it back and make the playoffs next year? L. O. L.

 

[Arthuros]

I doubt Provorov or Sanheim would step right into Lindholm's shoes, but we need someone who's not green as hell on the left side.

Depends on asking price for both. We've got a silly amount of 2nds.

EDIT: Reading the other comments...you want to make a run but give up one of these two, so presumably you want NHL talent?

Anaheim offers Steel, Tracey and a 2nd for Sanheim f unextended. If extended, I'd tack on a 2024 1st.

EDIT 2: I keep mixing them up...Sanheim is who I'd want.

 

[SnS]

I doubt Provorov or Sanheim would step right into Lindholm's shoes, but we need someone who's not green as hell on the left side.

Depends on asking price for both. We've got a silly amount of 2nds.

EDIT: Reading the other comments...you want to make a run but give up one of these two, so presumably you want NHL talent?

Anaheim offers Steel, Tracey and a 2nd for Provorov if unextended. If extended, I'd tack on a 2024 1st.

No. Think one for one. Probably for a center.

 

[Arthuros]

No. Think one for one. Probably for a center.

Pffft...dunno if we've got a lot to offer there then, since we're counting on McTavish to fill the gap next year.

Might we interest you in a Henrique+ package?

 

[David Lunch]

Damn, I really don't see the Kings as a good fit but let me give it a go...

Kings have a surplus of RHD and youth which they would want to be the focal point. I think something along the lines of a roster Dman, a roster forward or youth forward with upside and a draft pick/prospect is a likely offer from LAK. I'll list some pieces that could be available, listing them in groups from more to less valuable. Pick one from each category, and obviously the higher one players form a category is, the more likely LAK would push for a lower tier player/asset in another category.

Roster Dman:
Sean Durzi (RHD, RFA, previous salary about 800kAAV, 23yo)
Matt Roy (RHD, 2x years left at 3.15AAV, 27yo)
Scott Walker (RHD, 2x years left at 2.65AAV, 27yo)

Roster or youth forward with upside ready to step into an NHL lineup:
Alex Iafollo (LHW, 3x years left at 4AAV, 28yo)
Gabriel Vilardi (RHC/W, RFA, previous salary almost 900k, 22yo)
Rasmus Kupari (RHW/C, 1x year left around 865k, 22yo)
Lias Andersson (LHW/C, RFA, previous salary about 875k, 23yo)
Jaret Anderson-Dolan (LHW/C, RFA, previous contract about 750k, 22yo)

Prospects/picks:
We've got plenty of both, take a look for yourself

I think LAK would love to move Scott Walker as he's been rather out-of-sight-out-of-mind, and with the emergence of Sean Durzi he's likely been pushed out or will be forced to play on the left side if returning to LAK (which he's done a decent job of in the past). His two injuries have been freak occurrences (crazy hard slapshot to the face, someone falling on his knee sideways) so I wouldn't call him injury prone, but clearly he hasn't played much in the last 2 years.

My offer (hopefully not too embarrassingly off... I'd love to see PHI fan's counter offers):

Walker + Vilardi + LAK 1st round pick

 

[YP44]

Damn, I really don't see the Kings as a good fit but let me give it a go...

Kings have a surplus of RHD and youth which they would want to be the focal point. I think something along the lines of a roster Dman, a roster forward or youth forward with upside and a draft pick/prospect is a likely offer from LAK. I'll list some pieces that could be available, listing them in groups from more to less valuable. Pick one from each category, and obviously the higher one players form a category is, the more likely LAK would push for a lower tier player/asset in another category.

Roster Dman:
Sean Durzi (RHD, RFA, previous salary about 800kAAV, 23yo)
Matt Roy (RHD, 2x years left at 3.15AAV, 27yo)
Scott Walker (RHD, 2x years left at 2.65AAV, 27yo)

Roster or youth forward with upside ready to step into an NHL lineup:
Alex Iafollo (LHW, 3x years left at 4AAV, 28yo)
Gabriel Vilardi (RHC/W, RFA, previous salary almost 900k, 22yo)
Rasmus Kupari (RHW/C, 1x year left around 865k, 22yo)
Lias Andersson (LHW/C, RFA, previous salary about 875k, 23yo)
Jaret Anderson-Dolan (LHW/C, RFA, previous contract about 750k, 22yo)

Prospects/picks:
We've got plenty of both, take a look for yourself

I think LAK would love to move Scott Walker as he's been rather out-of-sight-out-of-mind, and with the emergence of Sean Durzi he's likely been pushed out or will be forced to play on the left side if returning to LAK (which he's done a decent job of in the past). His two injuries have been freak occurrences (crazy hard slapshot to the face, someone falling on his knee sideways) so I wouldn't call him injury prone, but clearly he hasn't played much in the last 2 years.

My offer (hopefully not too embarrassingly off... I'd love to see PHI fan's counter offers):

Walker + Vilardi + LAK 1st round pick

If they are looking for hockey deal than I am not sure the King's 1st hold value.
Wish it owuld though
I would do Turcotte/Vilardi + Walker/Durzi + 1st (gives them more option)

 

[TheKingPin]

I think it will be Provy for a center and a 1st and a prospect.

 

[SnS]

Pffft...dunno if we've got a lot to offer there then, since we're counting on McTavish to fill the gap next year.

Might we interest you in a Henrique+ package?

No……

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Honestly I don't know.

I know my answer is way different than Fletcher's moronic answer.

 

[biturbo19]

Another LHD really isn't exactly what the Canucks need...but if Provorov is on the market, the Canucks really ought to be all over it. Between Provorov who i recall playing some RD in juniors at least, and Hughes/OEL...one of them would figure it out playing their off side. And Provorov is exactly the type of presence the Canucks are so sorely lacking on the back end.

I don't know how much Boeser would interest Philly, but i think the table is pretty well set to include him as at least a "starting point" for a Provorov deal. For me personally at least, i think Pettersson and Horvat would probably be the only two names that aren't on the table. And with some of the rumblings we've heard, i'm not sure the Canucks front office would even actually have Horvat off the table. Would create a huge hole in the lineup, but hey...GMs do stupid stuff all the time, so who knows?

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Pffft...dunno if we've got a lot to offer there then, since we're counting on McTavish to fill the gap next year.

Might we interest you in a Henrique+ package?

No. Try again.

 

[Arthuros]

No. Try again.

Shame, I don't think we have a lot to offer, because we're obviously not going to give up McTavish, and I'm not convinced you would want someone like Lundestrom (who is kinda unique in our own system too).

Is it only NHL-ready centers the Flyers are looking for? We might have wingers that we'd need to add (a lot) to, but otherwise it's a lot of prospects, picks, Henrique and not much else.

 

[captainpaxil]

I think it will be Provy for a center and a 1st and a prospect.

Provy next to doughty is so gross I'm glad they are in the other conference.
Byfield or turcotte would be the target along with a first the middle piece is where I can't make the deal make sense.

 

[Accelleratii]

Id trade Provorov before Sanheim. I believe Provorov's ceiling is a top 10 #2 dman whereas Sanheim can eventually be a legitimate #1 given more time.

He'll never get traded though because Fletcher is the GM and thinks his mess is somehow close.

 

[David Lunch]

Provy next to doughty is so gross I'm glad they are in the other conference.
Byfield or turcotte would be the target along with a first the middle piece is where I can't make the deal make sense.

Byfield is off the table from LAK, but Turcotte could work depending on the other pieces.

 

[Hextallent63]

before they loaned him to the marlies, there were comments made about curing bad habits phil myers had picked up, ( i wonder where that happened). so i doubt teams are going to pay a premium or be fine with a hockey trade for a flyers defenseman. with that in mind and fletchers competence at his job i doubt the flyers get anything good from trading provo or sanheim, despite how good sanheim is playing.

 

[Starat327]

People should be chomping at the bit to trade for either of these players with Fletcher st the helm.

Hell, just last offseason he traded away his best LHD with a 2nd for nothing. You could probably get Provorov for a 5th.